2000 - 2010: What do you think?

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  1. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    is that taking a shot at bodhi or a legit question hahah
     
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  2. McGrain

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    I've really enjoyed it. It's delivered the best trilogy of all time, there were three genuine head to head monsters at HW, the ageless wonders that are Hopkins and Marquez, one all time great in Mayweather, and one of the most watchable, daring greats in the history of the sport, Manny Pacquiao. We've had some great British nights courtesty of Hatton and Calzaghe (probably a better SMW then Benn, Eubank and Watson) and Roy Jones Junior penning his name in history all be it against a mongish John Ruiz, not to mention Corrales-Castillo. It's been a good decade.
     
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  3. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You really think so?
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, I do, and you'll probably go a ways before you turn up a bigger fan of Watson than me.

    Having said that, I don't think it's a lock...I think if he matched all three between Lacey and retirement, one of them would have got him I bet.
     
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  5. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Nah i meant the thread title man, 2010 is the new decade ya feeeeeeelin me?!

    2000-2009, i lived it, it was nice, i enjoyed it
     
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  6. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I feelz ya. I dunno, though. I don't think any of them are genuine all-timers, but I think they were all excellent fighters for some period of time. Calzaghe (though certainly past his peak) just did not inspire any confidence in me toward his ability in the Hopkins fight.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    I know what you mean, but in fairness to Calzaghe, there was a mix of disadvantages to go with the advantages. It's true that a swarming type has a serious advantage over any older fighter, but Hopkins isn't any older fighter - it's also true that he was a counter-puncher afforded opportunity by his opponent's style and that he specialised in the punch that Calzaghe was most vulnerable to. Nobody really looks good against Hopkins, and against Pavlik, the old fella looked absolutely awesome - that's his Calzaghe era form.

    At the end of the day he's going to be to clever to lose to Benn, to active to lose to Eubank and to off-line to lose to Watson. That's a wide variety of styles, and given his history in his career's bigger fights, he's also likely to make one of these guys look very bad.

    Obviously there was a lot of weirdness about him on this forum and that's made the cooling of his legacy look a little luke-warm to tired eyes, but I don't think his awkwardnes, physical talent and not incosiderable smarts (at least when he was on point) can be disguised by the rammy. He was a very good fighter if not quite a special one.
     
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  8. teeto

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    I reckon Calzaghe>Eubank and Benn and the gang for me. Calzaghe was an effective ring general, i hear the shouts for him being unproven by way of not good resume though so i won't argue against that.

    Kind of defeats the object of my post actually, epic fail anyone?
     
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  9. teeto

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    :good

    I feel the same way about the part in bold in particular
     
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  10. Seamus

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    The 50's were pretty wretched. A few washed up greats, some lightheavies and a bunch of guys who would not have sniffed the top 10 a couple decades later. All this and a midget running the show for half the decade.
     
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  11. tommygun711

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    yeah but the end of the decade is every 10 years it's 2011 now so reznick decided to reflect upon the 10 years
     
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  12. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I don't get you man, are we going from 01/01/2000-31/12/2009 or 01/01/2001-31/12/2010?

    We can't mean the start of 2000 to the end of 2010 because that's 11 years.
     
    teeto, Jan 5, 2011
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  13. UncleChris

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    I think we need to avoid using the heavyweight division as some sort of barometer for the health of the sport overall. It's **** poor up there at the moment and has been for a while, but that didn't stop Vasquez-Marquez, Gatti-Ward, Barrera-Morales and all sorts of other good things happening during the last decade.

    All that aside, if this was the 1950s then Pac and Mayweather would have fought each other about five times by now.
     
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  14. horst

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    Who do you think was the better fighter, ability-wise:


    The pre-Watson II middleweight Chris Eubank of 1990-1

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    Peak Joe Calzaghe (I would say 06-07, but I am aware there is some debate over that, so whenever you take that to be)

    ?
     
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