2001 Felix Trinidad v. Hagler's Opponents at 160

I am a big Tito fan. I was at the Joppy fight, and Felix looked impressive. But, the issue with the illegal wraps that came out right before the Hopkins fight leads me to believe he may have been breaking the rules against Joppy. After Nazim Richardson removed Tito's wraps, Hopkins dominated Felix at that weight. And, with the exception of his fight against Ricardo Mayorga (who probably wouldn't care if Felix came in with loaded gloves), Felix never looked impressive again after Hopkins. The light punching junior middleweight, Winky Wright, made Felix look downright ordinary. Felix would have his hands full with most of Hagler's opponents. He would lose more than he wins. He may lose to all of them.

 

Come on Bert. Trinidad may lose to the likes of Caveman Lee? You're ''a big Tito fan'' who repeats the slur thrown about that it was the way that Trinidad wrapped his hands that made him one of the best KO artists of the last 25 years?

I'd have Tito a clear underdog against Thomas Hearns, Ray Leonard and possibly Briscoe and Mugabi, but he'd certainly do well against the likes of Antofuermo and Minter.

 

He wouldn't beat Briscoe or Mugabi imo ,nor Sibson who might ko him. Tito had great power at 147 ,could he slow up Rodan or Hamsho enough with it at 160lbs?

 

Yes, I repeat that I am a BIG Tito fan. Otherwise, I wouldn't have paid $1500 for a ticket to watch him fight Joppy at MSG. I was as disappointed with the hand wrapping issue as anybody. But, the fact remains, it first came out in the Hopkins fight, and Tito fought like a different man. It was eerily similar to how Margarito fought against Mosley when the exact same issue occurred. And, Tito really never looked the same again. And this was when Felix was still in his 20s, so the evidence is pretty damning. I agree he would beat Caveman Lee. But, picking Hagler's worst challenger out of 15 doesn't do much to change my argument. Prime Tito had his hands full with a number of fighters at welterweight. He had good punching power, but, was not a very physically durable guy. I think Antofuermo and Roldan would rough Tito up. And Minter would clearly be a favorite at 160.

 

Roldan and Hamsho push him around and walk through him. Both win decisions.

Mugabi is interesting, really ... I could see Tito outboxing him and keeping him off-balance to win a UD.

Duran boxes his ears off.

Hearns and Leonard are a bridge too far for Trinidad, who wasn't really a middleweight.

 

He'd be capable of beating all them, but wouldn't. I think he'd give Roldan a horrifying beating.

 

I think he'd get in first and KO Mugabi. Hamsho and Roldan would be good tests. He might get smothered out of it by Hamsho. Roldan would be tough, he took quite a bit from Hearns for a short while. SRL and Hearns beat him and Duran too i reckon. He'd beat Fully Obel, Antuofermo would be tough. I think he'd stop Hart. Briscoe was a bit declined but would be tough to beat.

 

Agreed, Tito was very good at welter.You are right, he'd lose most of them

 

The John Mugabi that Hagler fought? now he was a.....Beast! blows Tito out . Mugabi forced people to fight and Trinidad's power wouldn't bother the beast , Tito trades with him and takes a nap

 

Not necessarily, due to Tito's lack of physicality at that weight. That being said, if what Tito did to Joppy was on the up and up (and as a fan who was in MSG that night it was ****ing awesome to watch!) I would certainly give Tito an excellent chance of icing at least a few of Hagler's contenders. I still think he would struggle with both the really good boxers and physically imposing fighters at that weight.

 

I don't think so. Mugabi never beat anyone very good and went on to have a mediocre career at 154. I think Tito would land first and Mugabi would fold. Tito looked great against Joppy, Cherifi, and Mayorga at 160.

Hopkins made certain good fighters look bad. Pavlik, Tarver, Holmes, and Pascal all looked ordinary against him.

 

If he fought the full balance, '80-'87, a dozen men (Hagler fought two rematches in this span), Tito probably has a better than .500 record but it wouldn't be a contiguous reign as he's facing a couple of clear, hard losses in there. Leonard, Hearns (against whom Tito matches up slightly better at 154lb and 147lbs, but still an underdog) and Mugabi to be sure.