2002 Vernon Forrest vs. 2010 Manny Pacquiao at WW

Forrest.

 

It's not that hard to hit Pac in the face with jabs. Vernon would just have to make sure his output was up, which is a big if.

 

Forrest would present a lot of problems with his height and jab. Forrest was thrown out of his rhythem by Mayorga but I don't think PAC has the size or strength to do the same. Forrest UD

 

Someone voted Pacquiao by knockout and I want their account suspended.

 

Pacman....bang..bang..bang
bang....bang......bang.

Jim Lamprey voted for the Pacman.

 

Forrest has all the tools to beat Pacquiao and wins by widish decision IMO

 

you have to factor in the visually recorded official facts, that on paper, Pacman has absolutely no chance against his opponents...until after he anniahlates them and they all of a sudden become shot, weight drained and past prime

 

Its getting pretty tired now Pachilles, we have enough people talking that **** in the other forums. Just give it a rest.

 

Not from me it isn't. This is a very valid point, how can you not agree with it? He loses every single hypothetical, despite moving up 7 weights and beating the best fighters in all of those divisions. And the arguments are always; the opponent was more dominant at this weight, the opponent is natural at this weight, the opponent is too big and strong. And yet he's done what he's done. Through most of your hypothetical criteria he loses half of the fights that he has dominated in.

What the hell do you want him to do?? In his 7th division(thats 6 from his starting weight) there are only two guys(mayweather/mosley) left for him to prove himself against.

Forrest does seem to be a difficult assignment, a bad match up. But why is it so set in stone and why is anyone favouring Pac a ******, considering what he has accomplished?

Its simply a case of idiot fanboys annoy you, so you spite Pacquaio. Just like the idiot duran fanboys annoy me, so i spite Duran. Except for the fact that i don't go around picking anyone and everyone to beat Duran, and calling people who may favour Duran a ******.

His extremely successful weight jumping has to factored in. And just like i made a point of, somebody is going to reply to this post of mine, telling me all his top opponents were past prime and shot.

 

Nobody says that all his top opponents were past prime or shot, Barrera was in top form and Pacquiao ruined his life. People say that his opponents who were past prime when he beat them were past prime when he beat them, that's all. Unlike you who thinks Roberto Duran is **** and any old excessive mover schools him.

 

I agree with you. Stylistically you would favour Forrest but I don't think Pac's chances can be written off . He has done everything that's been asked of him impressively and I think he's brought that speed and punch up with him through the weights which is in his favour fighting these naturally bigger men. a couple of years ago when he got matched with DLH I thought it was a joke. What would he do after if he got lucky? I even said on here I couldn't see him having a chance with the likes of Cotto. Look what happened. It's always harder comparing someone with the past with someone who is still active. Let's see how the rest of his career pans out and enjoy it. We could be witness to someone very special. Wonder how Henry Armstrong would of went with Forrest.

 

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This is where your credibility takes a massive hit...You overeact to things like a 13 year old girl and pretty much just talk ****.

Not all of Manny's opponents were past it, in fact most werent, and any half intelligent fan of the sport can see that. Just some were at different points in there career or not as good as people wanted to believe or the advantages they had over Manny were over-exaggerated, like for instance Manny has barely been the smaller man in the ring by fight time because of smart negotiating by Team Pac. A certain element of Pac fans would have you believe that all these guys were at there absolute peak and everything is black and white...but thats just as ridiculous as the element of Pac haters that rubbish every opponent he comes in against.
You really honestly believe the opinion of a small band of idiotic Pac haters is the general consensus and lump anyone who has anything remotely critical to say about Pac in with them.

When Pac "loses" these kind of matchups its because....wait for it....he is getting matched with guys better then the guys he has beaten!

Take that as a compliment that he has proven himself such a great fighter that we can talk about him in the same breath as these other great fighters.
Its absoultely ridiculous to suggest every fighter of alltime gets picked over Manny, when no one even bothers matching Manny with the David Diaz's of past eras.

So please anytime you feel like it come into these debates and add to the fruitful discussion, just ignore then sweeping statements that Manny would get owned and put your own opinion forward omitting the bleeding heart rant about how everyone hates Manny and every always picks against him.
But before you do, get that sand washed out of your vagina, I implore you mate..it could get infected or something.

 

He made a comparabley speedy strong welterweight look like a punching bag in Mosley, thats why its a little easier to make the comparison. Is Pac that much greater than Mosley? Even if he is, hes shorter, maybe punches a bit harder, and has shown vulnerabilities against fighters who dont have half the jab Forrest had.

 

damn gonna have to go with forrest based on his height/speed combo is a new thing for pacquiao.