2003 Lewis vs 2003 Wlad

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Redbeard7, Jul 5, 2023.


Who wins?

Poll closed Jul 12, 2023.
  1. 2003 Lewis

    80.8%
  2. 2003 Wlad

    19.2%
  1. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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  2. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad would likely KO Lewis at any point. He was better and a LOT smarter.
    Lewis was much sloppier and against Wlad that is a death sentence.
    Absolutely Wlad would have cold KO'd the Lewis that Vitali fought. I mean, Vitali could miss at one point and Wlad is faster and has way more power.
    As for Sanders, if he'd landed those shots on Lewis, which he could well have done, Lewis would have been gone much sooner. Wlad had a better chin than Lewis.
     
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  3. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Easy to dismiss 03 Wlad due to the Sanders loss but styles make them. 03 Sanders could well have shocked Lewis also.
     
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  4. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's absurd to think that an older, more worn, possibly complacent version of a guy who got destroyed by Hasim Rahman would not run a high risk of being KO'd by a Wladimir Klitschko.

    Perhaps you know better than Emmanuel Steward and it's an easy fight with minimal risk for the iron-chinned Lewis, whose disadvantages in speed, power, intelligence and elite SHW experience relative to Wlad were irrelevant.

    It's easy to say "early KO" and "no chance of x happening" on a forum but in the real world Wlad would have been given a 30%-40% chance. Maybe it's higher or lower but a prime Lewis who had to defend against Wlad clones one after another would not rack up many (and possibly not any) defences before being starched.
     
  5. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sorry man, I'm not knocking Wlad or anything, great fighter but I just don't think he matches up well against Lewis who would be very switched on for this fight. I'd give him about a 20% chance at most here.
     
  6. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    2001 Lewis had Emmanuel Steward as his longtime trainer and his glass chin got smashed by a 20/1 underdog fringe contender with a fraction of Wlad's talent.

    Voting is largely a popularity contest, people aren't penalised for giving stupid answers. Prior to the Arreola fight Ruiz was massively favoured to beat Wilder for example, which is not the case at all now. Pretty much every Wlad contender of note was favoured to beat Wilder by this forum. And it's not even stupid to favour Lewis in this matchup because he was more experienced in big fights, more versatile and also carried big power. Everyone who thinks it's a 51-49 fight for Lewis (for example) would vote Lewis, so the all or nothing voting system doesn't accurately represent the probability that voters have in their own minds.
     
  7. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "who would be very switched on for this fight"

    Yet you assume that the Wlad who fought Sanders would show up, rather than the Wlad who fought Mercer (out to get one over on Lewis, not looking past the opponent).

    20% is not realistic, casinos would have been mad to give away 4/1 odds on a 16 win streak, 93% KO ratio heir apparent who was significantly more athletic, powerful, offensively skilled and more experienced against SHW's than his brother, as well as more athletic, more powerful, smarter and vastly more experienced vs elite SHW's than Lewis, who was susceptible to being one-punch KO'd by smaller, less athletic, lesser punchers. It would have been a massive step into the unknown for both men and had Lewis been hit with the shots he took from Vitali in the first 2 rounds, he'd have been out.
     
  8. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And Tyson got smacked around and ultimately KO’d by 42/1 shot Buster Douglas. Did Tyson have a glass chin?

    Lewis comfortably avenged both his losses. He did not have a “glass chin” at all. These things happen in big heavyweight fights. Very few top guys haven’t got KO power.

    Wlad of course could land one on Lewis and put him to sleep. But smart money would be on Lewis to win that fight.
     
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  9. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Did Tyson have a glass chin?"

    Tyson didn't get one-shotted early by Douglas, as Lewis did vs McCall and Rahman. He was battered him pillar to post in his first four losses.

    "These things happen in big heavyweight fights."

    To my knowledge no reigning champion in any weight class has been one-punch KO'd twice, except Lewis. Correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  10. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Lewis would honestly crush him. All around better boxer at any stage of their careers.
     
  11. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Would like to see Lewis at 41 go in with prime beast Joshua and put any dent in him. He was washed at 38 per his fans.
     
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  12. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    lol.
     
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  13. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The title reads like a Sci-Fi film released in the 1970's
    It's crazy, most thought we would have robots, flying cars, and even space travel by the early 2000's. Instead all we had was the same crap cars, slightly better tv's and dvd's. Other new thing new was more cell phones and ability to download movies from the internet.

    They were right about fighting robots though (the Klitschkos).
     
  14. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lewis gets Rahman’d by the first straight right that lands flush.
     
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  15. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    :deal::deal::deal::deal::deal:

    It’s dumb how people automatically go to the narrative of “But look what Sanders did to Wlad!! Lewis would have done the same thing!!” :rolleyes:

    Right. Because Wlad would have completely underestimated Lewis and also would have not seen the lightning fast southpaw bombs Lewis would have caught him with right??? Oh wait…