[2003] Mayweather vs. [2008] Pacquiao

His choice though. That was a cherrypick that backfired.

Truth is Floyd didnt want it with the 2008-2012 Pacquiao.
He was as much in shock as everyone that a former flyweight went on that run.
If he wanted to fight him he would have made the fight in 2010. But he didnt.
Nothing to do about it.

 

Correct,

If only everyone else's common sense had prevailed we wouldn't even have to be here re answering this question again & again.

 

Who can really say regarding him, in fact it might just push him into more protection separation & pstd over losing again.

 

Prime pac couldn't beat jmm clearly and lost to a faded erik Morales yet he stops arguably the best defensive boxer in history, who's also a stylistic nightmare for him? Stop!

 

Stop the lie!!! It was pac who didn't want it he pulled out of talks back in 2009 because he didn't want random blood testing. He ran off to fight clottey while pbf agreed to terms. I'm not going to sit here and let you lie like this because you love pac and hate pbf and try to change history. People like me know what happened and were here on this forum when it all went down. Pac didn't want it and made up every excuse in the book not to test those are facts that can't be changed to fit your narrative.

 

If it was that simple then Floyd would have willingly and convincingly fought and beaten him in 2010 though.

I would have put my money on Floyd as well but im also sure Pac would have done way better in 2010 than in 2015. So who knows?
Also Pac clearly improved after jmm2. And when talking prime its basically him on that run from Oscar to Margarito. After that he lost a step.

 

I was on this forum as well back then there was no need to go on vacations and create different obstacles and hurdles fir the fight to happen.
Truth is that Floyd Mayweather being who he was he could make any fight he wanted. Samevas Oscar or Canelo nowadays.

Pac was a talk to my promoter simple boxer in that regard. If bob Arum puts him up in house or against Floyd, Margarito or Paul Williams then he would fight that fight.
He never really ducked fighters so why would he suddenly run from Floyd but face the likes of Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, Margarito or Clottey?

Floyd didnt want it with Pac unless he was sure he could win. And he wasnt. Thats why he was freaking out about wanting tests and having nightmares about him so he would go train in the middle of the night. Cause he couldnt believe a flyweight destroying Oscar and Hatton and also Cotto.

There is no point in this debate since you like Floyd too much to admit he was an extremely carefull guy when it came to matchmaking
It would always end up with the same arguments.

I sticky by my argument that I rate Floyd highly, favoured him vs Pac but he didnt want that fight in 2010 unfortunately.
Therefore we will be left with the same debate in fantasy matchups since it didnt happen then.

Same with Ali vs Frazier in the 60's, Tyson vs Holy in 91 pr bhop vs RJJ 2 at an earlier point.
All speculation cause the fights never happened when they should.

Maybe we can do the same with spence vs crawford or canelo vs GGG 2? Time will tell.

 

He made the fight happen when he was an old man. Speed, reflexes and timing disappear with age. Power is the last thing to go. So in reality Mayweather had more of a disadvantage later on than he would have had, had he fought Pacman earlier. He beat Pacquiao whilst Mayweather was at that point a shell of his former self while Pacquiao still had everything. The Thurman fight proves that Pacman still was great when he fought Mayweather

 

Let me ask you something, who pulled out of talks because of testing back in 2009? If pbf didn't want it why did he agree, while pac didnt?didn't??

Boxing is a small community there was talk about pac being on something, Roach himself said he wasn't sure what ariza was putting in those shakes he was giving him. That's the real reason why they pulled out they weren't sure if they would pass the test.

Also why would pbf be hesitant to face a guy who was a sucker for the right hand? Who comes in off balanced wide open a counter punchers wet dream. Pbf is not there to be hit he also had faster feet and faster reflexes. Pac has no answers for pbfs ability to control range and dictate distance on him and that's the real reason why pac can't beat him. Pac better be glad he didn't fight the near prime pbf because it would've been much worse for him than the shot version he fought in 2015. Pac was way more one dimensional back in 2009, no right hand a much lower ring iq and was reckless. I would've put a small fortune on pbf beating pac back in 2009.

 

Best defensive boxer in history? Well who did he beat for that distinction? I saw Whitaker box circles around a prime Chavez and not get hit much. So, I'm not quite sure Mayweather was even the best defensive American in recent memory.

 

I said "arguably" even if he's not the best defensive boxer he was one of the best defensive boxers in history. His opponents were routinely reduced to career low workrates and connect % when they faced him. He was extremely hard to hit clean with power shots as well. He was the best defensive boxer of his era, name me someone who was better during his era defensively???

 

Any version of Floyd beats the equal version of PAC, he’s simply the better fighter. That’s not a slight to Manny, he’s an ATG, he just isn’t as good as Floyd.

 

Pac is 4-1 over Floyd in common opponent performance.

Destroyed Cotto, Oscar, and Hatton. Made Mosley run for his life and in all out survival mode.

And Pac would have annihilated Castillo, Guerrero, Ortiz, Berto, and Maidana.

 

Which is why pbf basically retired in the next fight against Berto in 2015. He was old and shot and older than pac who fought on until 2021. Pac had more left than pbf when they fought, more facts.

 

Freddie Roach has said on camera that they walked and why, this isn’t a guessing game it’s a matter of stated fact.