2003 Roy Jones Jr (Ruiz bout) H2H vs. Other Modern Alphabet Beltholders.

Interesting thread.

Anyway, I think he beats Byrd and Valuev... maybe Moorer (and I could see him getting on his bike and winning a decision against an old Foreman).

 

most of them but foreman and bruno would give him trouble due to the size

 

He beats most of them and has a good shot at all of them.

 

Maybe my last post was semi-lazy.

'94 Moorer (Holy I bout) - I see Jones outpointing with Moorer managing to get some work done but not quite enough.

'94 Old Foreman (Moorer bout) - Jones stays away outpointing but Foremans jab could make this hard. I give the edge to Foreman as i could see three outcomes. 1.Jones outpointing and keeping away. 2. Jones trying to outpoint but Foremans jab giving him problems and the power scaring Jones with Foreman taking a close decision. The decision could go either way i guess. 3. Foreman catching him with a bomb at any time ala Moorer.


'95 Bruno (McCall bout)- Jones on points but he has trouble with Brunos size. I think he should manage it though.

'01 Rahman (Lewis I bout) Rahmans size and power means that he could catch Jones at any time. I would still favor Jones to outpoint him though.

'03 Sanders (Wlad bout)- Jones by easy UD.

'03 Byrd (Fres bout) Jones by UD but Byrd could cause him some problems. As Atlas says though seeing a southpaw is like seeing a cousin for Jones ( i had to )

'04 Brewster (Wlad bout) - Again another comfortable decision for Jones.

'06 Valuev (Barrett bout) - Outpoints ala Haye style.

'08 Peter (Oleg bout)- Easy decision , makes Peter looks silly.:nut

'10 Haye (Ruiz bout)- Close decision with Jones doing what Jones does and Haye trying to do what Jones does. Possibility of a Haye bomb, ...maybe.


I see Jones outpointing being a cross between his Ruiz fight and Hayes with Valuev with Jones staying outside and using his speed and reflex advantages.


***Disclaimer*** They are all big guys and potentially land a big shot to spark Jones out. So calm yourself down team elite.:smoke

 

With Jones' chin he could go at any time, even vs. a medium level puncher like Ruiz.

I would say Jones best chance would be vs. Bruno. By 1995, Bruno had seen better days. I think Jones wins here. I also think Jones would make the Old Foreman look bad, but that fight would not be over until the final bell. Jones could be up 11-0 then BAM.

In closing I'd pick Jones vs. 1995 Bruno and 1994 Foreman

 

i like jones in all the bouts except vs haye. peter could always catch him at some point but jones was the much better fighter. haye's style would be a nightmare for jones. he's a good boxer with good speed and power who's much bigger than jones. jones would have to pick his spots vs haye to pull out a close decision imo.

 

His best chance is against Byrd , not claiming I'd consider him the favorite even there.

 

'94 Moorer (Holy I bout)
Moorer was a solid hw. Good technique, hard punch and a southpaw. Like Jones he came up from lhw but Moorer was quite at home at hw. Jones was not. I can see Jones giving trouble to Moorer but in the end Moorer would find him too often. Jones wasn´t as fast at lhw, not as mobile. The added weight did him not so much good. I go by Moorer late TKO

'94 Old Foreman (Moorer bout)
I think Jones can do what Moorer couldn´t. Stay away from old George and win an UD. He would be smarter than Moorer, I think. Of course Foreman could find him and it would be over if he does.

'95 Bruno (McCall bout)
Very good chance for Roy. Bruno was a bit past it, still capable though, and if Jones plays his cards right he could capitalize on Bruno´s stamina issues. He has to be hugely mobile though and move constantly, keeping Bruno off-balance. Bruno needs only one punch to end it. High risk game for Jones. And remember a good jab can neutralise a speed advantage. Anyway, I think Jones pulls it of. UD win for him.

'01 Rahman (Lewis I bout)
Rahman was quite good but had a lackluster chin. His weaknesses aren´t really playing into Jones´ hands here. Rahman will make Jones too cautious too win on points too. Jones may survive and hear the final bell but he isn´t winning this one. Rahman is too big, too hard punching and isn´t exactly unskilled either. Rahman either UD or late TKO.

'03 Sanders (Wlad bout)
Sanders blasts him out early. Can´t see no other result.

'03 Byrd (Fres bout)
Byrd was a good technician but the reason why he could compete against bigger hws was his speed and mobility. Jones had more of both and while Byrd had a better chin and fundamentals this isn´t really playing a big role here. Especially since this was a lackluster effort of Byrd. Jones UD.

'04 Brewster (Wlad bout)
Brewster eventually finds him while beeing behind on the cards. If he does it´s over. Jones is in with a live chance though.

'06 Valuev (Barrett bout)
With the right ref Jones can win this. But if Valuev is allowed to pull of his jab´n´grab routine Jones is in big trouble. He won´t be able to carry the big man. I guess this is what happens. Valuev stops and exhausted, tired Jones late.

'08 Peter (Oleg bout)
I think Jones beats him. He has to move a lot, keep Peter off-balance, stay away, dip in let lose a short barrage and move out again. Stick´n´move is the recipt here. I think he can pull it of. Jones UD.

'10 Haye (Ruiz bout)
Haye get´s him. Speed, not on Jones´ level but enough, and power. Perhaps he is behind on the cards but he get´s him.

4-6 overall. Not bad. I´m surprised. Could be easily 5-5 too, the Valuev one is a toss up, depending on the ref.

 

He could probably outbox any of them or be KO'd by any of them while ahead on points, bar Byrd. The biggest favourite over him is probably Haye, the speed and power of Sanders early would be a big danger until he gasses, Moorer's quality , Bruno's boxing ability with his jab is underrated, not many got past that jab. Old Foreman is the most overrated and should get outboxed, anyone of substance outboxed Old Foreman and in his prime got beat by Young. Guys like Peter and Brewster probably try to walk him down but are so slow

 

Byrd wanted Roy in 2003 and tried to make the fight happen. Byrd would fight anybody who was willing. It would have been an intresting fight, and I'm not certain of a Jones' win above 200 lbs.


Jones piocked Ruiz for his biggest challenge because he was the most beatable of the heavyweight champions. Jones vs. Byrd would be an attractive match and one promoter Don King desperately wants to make....

[url]http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=8qcaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=fkMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5611,2937969&dq=chris+byrd+roy+jones&hl=en[/url]


Not one time did anybody mention Chris Byrd to fight Lennox Lewis or Roy Jones or the Klitschkos," Byrd (36-2, 20 KOs) said. "I won the title but I was the isolated guy. I was the guy with leprosy. [James] Toney talked all the trash in the world but as soon as we called he changed his number.

They all know I don't care about size. I don't care about power. I'm not scared to match my skills against anybody. The No. 1 question I get is, `When are you going to fight Roy Jones?' Roy has skills.
"He's the pound-for-pound best fighter in the world. Everybody knows it, but I'd fight him. The ball's in Roy's court."
Maybe, but so far Roy Jones, like every other big name in heavyweight boxing, isn't playing with it. Not when Chris Byrd is on the court.
[url]http://www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/boxing/articles/2003/09/20/byrd_in_a_fight_for_opponents/[/url]


Byrd has had no better luck trying to tempt Mike Tyson or Roy Jones Jr. into the ring.
"No one wants to match up with me, nobody," said Byrd, now negotiating for a fight with Hasim Rahman.
"I'm trying to be the number one heavyweight overall and the only way I can get to that position is by fighting guys like Roy Jones, Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis, and how can I get there if they don't want to fight me?
-SI

Hopefully, now [Roy Jones Jr.] is thinking, 'This heavyweight stuff is easy,'" said [Chris Byrd], the IBF champion who would like nothing more than a lucrative fight with Jones.
Jones versus Byrd would be an attractive match but the other top heavyweights probably are too big and hit too hard for Jones to realistically consider.
"He might go back to light heavyweight," said Kery Davis, a boxing executive at HBO, which promotes Jones. "He wanted a big fight and he got it. We're not going to push Roy to fight a heavyweight if his body can't handle it."-Toronto Star