2009-2012 WALDO Klitschko VS 1969-1971 Smokey Joe And 1986-1989 Tinkerbell Tyson

How old are you?

 

this **** is giving me a headache

 

As promised i'll give my reply some point tonight.

 

Well foreman hook, the key here is the jab-clinch combo combined with 250 pound of muscle imo.

On the way in they'll have to eat jabs. Once in they'll be tied up. Whilst Frazier has better conditioning, Tyson is a lot stronger.

If neither can mount a seruious offenc within the first 6 rounds both will have eaten about 100 jabs and will have been leaned upopn maybe 30 times. Both will have had to expend energy weaving their way in and throwing power hooks. Meanwhile Wlad will have been fairly relaxed throwing 30 or so shots in the round, holding whenever they get near.

At any point as Wlad jabs and goes to clinch, both guys have the speed and power to land big troubling hooks. If they land those hooks and force Wlad backwards, they should win. Equally so there's a possibility Wlad nullifies their work in the first half even if he loses some rounds due to negative tactics.

After the half way mark it will be clear that Wlad is the fresher man. This won't be "attacking minded throw everything but the kitchen sink till they drop or I gas" Wlad. It will be "overly cautious even against jean marc mismatch wlad" and is he puts on the sort of jab clinic he did against chagaev (where the jabs are essentially power shots) there's a good chance Jab will get out of the first half unscathed. Providing he does, he will wear the guys down with the jabs, lean on them when they get in close. By round 10 both will be stopped imo.

That being said, It is equally likely in my minds eye that both start strong and land a big hook in the first half forcing wlad into a panicked retreat frocing him to bumble backwards and use up nervous energy, maybe even trap himself on the ropes. Once there they can leverage their shots and bang away to his body creating openings for the bigpower shots upstairs.

Too close for me to call really.

If Wlad fought these both 10 times I think he wins 5 by kncokout and loses 5 by knockout. Conversely Tyson will cut through Joe like a knife through butter 10 out of 10.

If I can't pick a winner I call it a draw in the land of fantasy fights so vs these two Wlad goes 0-0-2 in my minds eye.

 

This is past prime Wladimir vs prime Tyson , of course Tyson wins .
Regarding prime Frazier I still don't know , Frazier was no Tyson .
Therefore I don't want 2 vote yet as i m not certain .
Had it been a prime Wladimir i'd definitely pick him over prime Frazier , and I'd give him more of a chance vs Tyson although prime Tyson remains a favorite even then . Vitali is a different story of course .

 

Well that's assuming he'll come out gun shy. I'm judging Wlad from his performance against Chagaev. He'll still clicnh but he'll bu uber confident throwing his power jabs. Wlad hasn't fought timid for a long time. Cautious inside, undeniable; he doesn't punch or move, he just throws his cement blanket over you, but at range he's fought confident ever since he survived the double knockdown against peter.

I wouldn't call Spinks a greater HW than Ali by a long way. But both have beaten comparable out fighters in Ali and Holmes. Frazier did walk right through ali's patter to get his own shots off in fotc but Wlad will be strong enough to contain him if he gets close and doesn't land.

If Frazier is to win, he needs to realise the bob and weave won't work here, he isn't strong enough inside. He can be completely overwhelmed physically. He needs to lunge in with the left hook, catch wlad flush of force him off balance, then pound him with combos whilst wlad flounders trying to clinch and reset. The chances of Frazier landing his left hook? 50-50. If he does in the first 6, he wins. If he doesn't Wlad will kick his arse.

Tyson dominated Holmes but was sometimes frustrated by a well placed jab. Try as he might, when he ate enough flush shots off Douglas he just couldn't walk through them any more. He has a limit to what he can take. Now he does have the reflexes to work his way inside, sometimes he will succeed and get shots off before Wlad clinches, sometimes he'll weave right into a jab and have to reset. If Wlad is careless smothering than Tyson will kill him with big uppercuts.

To me it's a matter of what comes first in this match up, Tyson working his way and getting enough shots off to wear Wlad down, force him to throw lazy jabs and then smash him once slipping jabs, Or Wlad pounding tyson with enough Jabs and clinching inside to zap his energy, slow his movement down and lazer the jab and straight right as he tires. The chances of Tyson effectively working his way in enough to force Wlad to drop his arms, and become lazy? 50-50. Unlike Frazier, Tyson can end this with one shot (maybe not out cold but effectively end it as sanders did with that counter right), I just don't think he can land it until he's softened wlad up enough to throw him off his gameplan. that is a long strategy which will require him to eat jabs, it's a matter of who breaks first.

Both would be great fights to watch. As I say, Frazier can land his leaping left, pound Wlad's body, rinse and repeat until he knocks the wind out of him, the the concious out of him. Tyson can work his way in, fire off huge combos from crazy angles, force Wlad to get lazy with his jab and decapitate him. By the same Margin, Wladd cann launch power jabs as he did vs chag, stay out of range, and clinch at the first sign of danger forcing them to expend more energy than he, leaving his chances of a late stoppage quite healthy.

Genuine 50-50 matchups. Shame we'll never see them (Praying to God that Tyson doesn't make a comeback and try for a payday against Wlad)

 

You've been using this ever since I brought up the Holyfield quote on Lennox Lewis.

Fair analysis.

I dont think Tyson ends it with one shot, but if he slips the jab and drops the patented counter left hook, flush with bad intentions, Wlad will be wobbled, hurt, and has serious problems.

 

:good cement blanket sounds much better than clinch.

Plus it describes better how effective a tool it can be against a faster shorter infighter :good

 

Indeed, Holyfield coined a great term there. Particularly when it's a SHW pushing his weight down on a smaller fighter. To an observer, it's uninspiring and boring. As the man getting held, it's draining the fight and energy out of you.

 

57?

Then why do you say "WALDO" "Smokey" and "Tinkerbell" it sounds very childish. Do you live with your parents?

I'm not trying to sound facetious but it's hard to take you seriously when you overuse emoticons and use nicknames like "Beefcake" for Frank Bruno. I'm recommending that you post like an adult at least then it would be easier to read your posts.