2009-2012 WALDO Klitschko VS 1969-1971 Smokey Joe And 1986-1989 Tinkerbell Tyson

I take Klitschko to lose to both of them. He'd drop a massive points verdict to Tyson,but would still be standing at the final bell. Frazier would stop his man. Joe was better at infighting,and his body punches would set Klitschko up for the tko before the tenth round.

 

I like the name 'Tinkerbell' for Tyson. Puts me in mind of Mike entering the ring dressed in a ballet dancer's tutu

 

Chagaev? Not exactly a benchmark for Tyson, is he? I really hope you're not serious.

 

I actually think Vlad would have a tougher time with Frazier than with Tyson and I think he would probably lose to both of them. Frazier was busier and wouldn't let Vlad get comfortable setting his own pace. Plus Vlad isn't all that speedy in hand and foot. If Joe could slip and counter many of ali's shots then he could certainly do the same to Vlad. A prime Frazier would wear down Vlad and catch him in the later rounds. Against Tyson Vlad might be able to last the distace if he can stay on the outside and keep might at the end of his jab. If guys like Tillis, Tucker, Bonecrusher (or more appropriately "Bonehugger") Smith and Douglas could neutralize Tyson's power and survive then Vlad could do it too. For all of his ferocity Tyson could be lulled into just following his man around, content with just winning a decision while Frazier was in his man's face looking for the KO every second of every round. Still I think Mike would get to Vlad at some point and land the bomb that ends it. Frazier stands a better chance than Tyson due to his style while Tyson has a chance due to his power and hand speed. Good fights to watch no matter what happens though.

 

I assume you've misunderstood.

You tell me when wlad ever jabbed better than he did against chag.

 

Chagaev is not a puncher.
We can talk about styles and whatnot all day, but when facing a puncher and facing a guy who can't hurt you, things change.
Fighters become bolder, relax, and feel more at ease doing the things they need to do to win, when they know a guy doesn't pose a big threat as far as punching is concerned.
Wlad looked pretty good against Byrd too, but again, Byrd was a non-threat to Wlad. Wlad knew Byrd couldn't hurt him and he became bold.

Facing a puncher of Tyson's caliber is a different story. It's not just about the force of the punch, but the speed and angles from which he attacked, and the ferocity.

I can't envisage Wlad fighting even remotely offensively. The jab would be used defensively instead of offensively, and instead of using it to set up powershots, he'd be looking to jab and grab at every opportunity.

In my opinion, you don't beat Tyson fighting scared, and Wlad would be fighting scared.

 

Again, you've misunderstood.

When has wlad ever utilised the jab as well as he did against chagaev?

 

What I have misunderstood? You're using Chagaev as a reference as to how Wlad would fight Tyson, aren't you?

I read your posts again and I don't see where I'm missing the point. (?)

 

No that's not what i'm doing.

I'm just using that as the fight I felt wlad was at his best both physically and mentally.

I don't think there's any stylistic comparison despite his name. It just so happens that that night was the night he most impressed me.

 

Tysonputsona clinic and slips Wlads jab and hurts him with bodyshots and stops
Wlad with a lunging left hook TysonKO1.FrazierKO7

 

Oh, sorry. Gotcha. :good