200lbs limit: OLD SCHOOL HEAVYS vs BEST OF THE LAST 25 YEARS...

Some ineresting matches for sure.

I think the old school guys would win because:

A. They represent the best over a longer period.

B. The modern group is diluted further by the multitude of weight classes.

 

I need to think about these but this is a great and novel idea that's produced some intriguing matches!!

Holyfield Vs Marciano = wow!!!

 

Great thread. We should do more like these. I'll be back...(Always wanted to say that.)

 

Yes, I was going to say thing. Terrific thread man.

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Charles for me is just much better at a higher weight. I think Charles can disrupt Jones tempo and rythm. I think he wins by a late stoppage or a 9-6 type decision. I always prefer Charles durability, I think Jones gets hurt in spots. By the way, are these under 15 round rules?
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Marciano in a close UD. I'll say 9-6. I don't think he does as well as Charles in the early rounds because this Holyfield really tries to box in spots but ultimately gets in a tough-mode go forward mode. Bad plan against Rocky.
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Hard one to pick. Interesting style matchup. Sort of a counter-puncher fest. I'll go with Moore he seems to be closer to his prime at this point. Hard one to analyze/pick.
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I haven't seen much of Toney at this age/weight. As I HW I'm generally more impressed with Walcott. His erratic and unpredictable movement/nature give Toney's counter-punching style fits. I think his movement, and much better punch give him the advantage. Toney may be a better counter-puncher and slightly superior in a close-ends defense but Walcott is facing a guy with no physical advantages. And I don't think Toney is a shaper puncher. Walcott wide UD. And the key is Toney's out-put is far too low to bother Walcott enough.
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Very interesting matchup. Ultimately, I feel Spinks good enough speed and boxing ability have him slice and dice all over Floyd. Floyd's chinny nature doesn't help. Spinks late stoppage or wide decision.




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If this was at 175 their best weight I would take Jones probbly by late round t/ko in an exciting fight. In this situition I lean twards Charles by decision in a close fight. I can see Jones wining as well. This one can go either way.

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. This won't be boring that's for certain. Holyfield is strong probbly stronger than anyone Marciano faced and should be able to stand up to Marciano's punches. Marciano has better boxing skills than he is sometimes given credt for. I will go with Holyfield in a clear but compitive decision.

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When you say brave I assume that you don't agree?

 

I see your point but we're not exactly talking about him facing a "huge" HW are we!?!?!

I think the point of this thread is to say that these great modern fighters would have fought at HW in years gone by, and we must assess how they would fair.

Other than Holyfield, none of the modern era guys have very good pedigree at HW so we can only judge these fights stylistically!!!

 

Fight#1

Jones didn't do a lot at the weight, so it's tought to say how he'd shape up against Charles.
Jones will attempt to pot-shot from the outside and use his speed to zip in and out, as he often did.
I think physically he's the stronger and faster fighter, but it won't be a physical fight and Ezzard to some extent has the timing to offset the handspeed advantage enjoyed by Jones, which isn't miles better than Charles'.
Ezzard will have to be the aggressor here because I don't see Jones forcing the action and this will play into Jones' hands as he then has countering opportunities.

If Charles does break through and start to land his shots, Jones will back off and perhaps go to the ropes occasionally. He was pretty good off the ropes but Charles would do a lot better than the limited Ruiz here and he will be able to land some decent body and head punches.

All in all I like Charles here. He fought vastly better competition at heavyweight and is simply a more proven fighter. Jones will give him problems (quite a few at first I'd imagine) but Ezzard will at least partially solve his style and land sporadic two-fisted attacks which should impress the judges.

Charles by decision.

Fight#2

Man...the mother of all wars. For me this is easily the most exciting fight of the lot. You know Evander won't back down from Rocky one bit, and neither will Rocky from Evander.

For me this fight will start with Holyfield using lateral movement and landing well with the jab. He will dictate the range and Rocky will have problems getting close enough to land hard punches. Evander will be boxing smoothly and going downstairs occasionally to mix things up. Rocky will bore in, but mostly Evander will be able to tie him up.

I feel at some point Holyfield will feel that he can step inside and land uppercuts to Marciano, who will welcome this change of strategy as he digs to Holyfield's body. More and more Holyfield will be drawn into a fight as Marciano's steady pressure forces Holyfield to stand his ground rather than circle and box.

I think Holyfield will do surprisingly well in toe-to-toe exchanges with Marciano. His punch output and ability to mix up his attacks, coupled with his durability and punch resistance will stand him in good stead against the more powerful Marciano.

He also has the option of backing off and using his mobility to catch a breather, although this will become an increasingly rare sight as Marciano will be coming in constantly and apllying pressure.

This will ruffle a few feathers, but I'm going for Evander on points, possibly a split decision. His smooth boxing should win him many early rounds, and he is one of the few who can stand in the pocket with Marciano in a war, although he'd have to have the discipline to disengage when needed.
His endurance at the weight is just as good as Macriano's, and he will always fire back when hurt. His chin is stellar, so the chances of a dramatic come from behind KO for Marciano is slim.

Fight#3

Probably the most technical fight of the lot. I was impressed by Hopkins against Pavlik, very impressed. His technique and ring savvy is excellent. The problem is, Archie Moore is no Kelly Pavlik.
In terms of craftiness the ol' Mongoose can match Hopkins, although Bernard is more inclined to use dirty tricks I think.
To be honest, I don't see Bernard winning, not against a younger, stronger Moore. Moore is an ATG at light-heavy and Hopkins, despite being a marvel at 42, is just too old to compete with Moore, who will be wise enough not to fal for Bernard's traps. In terms of workrate alone I think Moore will win a comfortable decision. He'll realise early that despite him being an all-time great puncher, Bernard is a ******* to get out of there, and he'll be content to win on points.

Fight#4

I suppose the question is who will lead? Toney relies on counterpunches and generally so does Jersey Joe. I like Toney. He's an old-school guy who tucks his chin behind his shoulder and drives a sneaky right hand counter to an opponent's head. Toney can be pretty cute.
Walcott is a fighter I rate highly, but he could also stink the joint out sometimes. Styles make fights and to be honest I don't see the crowd enjoying this one too much.
I feel Walcott will be the 'aggressor' here, but he will be tentative and not really comfortable taking it to the smack-talking Toney, who will be quite content to fight at a slow pace, looking for countering opportunities, which will be few and far between.

It's a hard fight to predict, but for sure it's going the distance. Walcott will land more punches probably, and they will carry more weight. I'm going for Walcott in a snoozer.

Fight#5

Patterson was really fired up for Johansson for their 2nd fight and produced a career best performance. Spinks is technically far better than Johansson, who seemed over-confident and barely trained for their rematch.

Floyd carried good power in his left hook and I can see him stinging Spinks a few times with it. Spinks' chin was generally reliable though and Tyson aside nobody stopped him, and if anything it's Floyd's suspect chin that will be called into question by the Jinx.

Michael will box a smart, cagey fight but will have to be careful of Patterson's quick hands and leaping left hook. All in all though, despite not being a prime Spinks I do see him having the resources to win a decision over Patterson, a fighter I've never really held in high esteem.

Spinks by decison.

Old-timers win 3-2.

 

1st fight...
jones i think would take the majority of the early rounds charles though is
obviously not slow like ruiz and concentrates his attack to the body of jones
putting jones on the defensive and late on charles could possibly score a
knock down ,charles by ud


2nd fight
at the start of this fight holyfield boxes from the outside but from the 5th
he gets drawn into a brawl both fighters are stung but do not go down and
holyfield gets a very close decision win

3rd fight
i dont see this being a good night for hopkins at all ,hopkins may be clever in
the ring but moore has seen all hopkins tricks and then some ,moore outboxes
hopkins and when he decides to goes after him also out works hopkins to win a
wide ud or may even stop hopkins very late

4th fight

if this fight is on at three in the morning i may need help staying awake both
dont like to lead and may even feint and fiddle around enough for the ref to
to call for more action, over the distance though some may favour toney who
may land the cleaner shots and others walcott who may be the more busy of
the two and land more punches,it may come down to what each indivual judge
prefers.as the fight is in the states i would go for walcott

5th fight

i am going for spinks here to box his way to a decision win, but both fighters
may suffer flash knockdowns

 

No doubt for me the old timers win all...the Patterson at lightheavy may be a tough fight vs Spinks...Floyd gained his strength in the heavyweight ranks and although not a giant had the hand speed and power to beat Spinks above 175lbs but at 175lbs, Floyd may have been his natural weight and that was Spinks domain. At heavy I like Floyd here

Marciano wears down Holyfield in a spirited event but Evander loses on a stop

Charles would have a bit of trouble with the fast and clever Jones but just a matter of time before he finds his way in with that right hand left hook combo...Ezzard was too strong for Jones and this one is a KO for EZZ

Archie knows every trick in the book and Bernard could not show the monggose anything he did not see. B-Hop moves well but not enough to overcome the power of Archie and B-Hop decides to keep it safety first because Archie is not fazed by his power...Archie wins a wide UD...a matter of styles

Toney good infighter...Walcott had the legs and the one punch pinpoint power and craftyness....JJ puts Toney down and gives him angles and keeps him honest with a few wicked hook/uppercuts and sneaky right hands...JJW UD

Floyd at Heavyweight was the better fighter, takes the nod in a close one