2010 Ring P4P vs. 1989 Ring P4P

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  1. KOTF

    KOTF Bingooo Full Member

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    2010 P4P list (as of today)
    1. Manny Pacquiao
    2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    3. Juan Manuel Marquez
    4. Nonito Donaire
    5. Shane Mosley
    6. Chad Dawson
    7. Paul Williams
    8. Sergio Martinez
    9. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
    10. Celestino Caballero

    1989 P4P list
    1. Mike Tyson
    2. Julio Cesar Chavez
    3. Pernell Whitaker
    4. Michael Nunn
    5. Antonio Esparragoza
    6. Meldrick Taylor
    7. Azumah Nelson
    8. Raul Perez
    9. Virgil Hill
    10. Marlon Starling

    My question isn't necessarily which crop of fighters were better; I will put some of those fighters listed above in H2H fights against each other.

    Who wins in these match-ups? (Remember you must match the 2010 version vs. the 1989 version, even if they weren't "prime" at that stage)

    Marquez vs. Whitaker
    Marquez vs. Nelson
    Martinez vs. Nunn
    Williams vs. Nunn
    Perez vs. Caballero
    Esparragoza vs. Caballero
    Pacquiao vs. Chavez
    Pacquiao vs. Starling
    Mayweather vs. Chavez
    Mayweather vs. Starling
    Dawson vs. Hill
     
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  2. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1-8 for me.
     
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  3. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Im assuming this is HTH, for instance Mayweather hasnt passed Chavez yet in terms of greatness but id pick him in HTH matchup at Welter. Why would you match Chavez up with a Welter? I picked him over Pac cause Pac could easily make JW unlike Mayweather. I had to think hard about Perez-Cabellero,Dawson-Hill,Marquez-Nelson,Pac-Starling although i have my reasons for picking each.

    6-5 1989 but thats with your matchups if you go 1-10 on who had the greater fighters 89 wins hands down 9-1 only one i rate higher from 2010 is Pac over Tyson.
     
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  4. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How is wlad not top 10? I mean caballero is freaking 5'10 or something and he fights at 122-126, thats pathetic. I'm pretty sure wlad has done more than him.
     
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  5. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Even though i think you overrate heavys and you think i overrate the smaller guys. I agree with you id rate Wlad over Caballero.
     
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  6. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah i saw caballero fight some asian dude on tv like a couple of weeks ago, and the size difference was ridiculous man, this guy is like the featherweight version of anthony rumble johnson.
     
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  7. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Caballero is a good fighter but nothing special,more like top 20 or 15 at the highest definitely not top 10.

    Only Anthony Johnson ive ever known of was a short journeyman lightweigh back in the 90s.
     
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  8. KOTF

    KOTF Bingooo Full Member

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    LOL my bad I had dozed off when I had made the thread without realizing the rule I put in I kept thinking about Chavez-Mayweather-Pacquiao fights being matched up at 140 the whole time. I'll just throw in another match-up then:

    Mosley vs. Starling
     
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  9. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Id take a 89 version of Starling over 2010 Mosley by decision 117-112 type of decision. However id take a Prime Shane over Starling by close decision.
     
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  10. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Marquez vs. Whitaker
    Marquez vs. Nelson
    Martinez vs. Nunn
    Williams vs. Nunn
    Perez vs. Caballero
    Esparragoza vs.Caballero
    Pacquiao vs. Chavez
    Pacquiao vs. Starling
    Mayweather vs. Chavez
    Mayweather vs. Starling
    Dawson vs. Hill

    The P4P list isnt up to much, 1 from Wlad, Haye and Bradley should be top 10, Mosley probably should drop out
     
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  11. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Caballero is ****ing awful.
     
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  12. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Pacquiao over Chavez?!?!
     
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  13. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Caballero is nowhere near Perez anyway.

    I also think a fired up Starling could well give Pac a bit of a pasting.He'll back him up for sure and that's not good for manny.Lazy starling would get outworked.
     
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  14. Unforgiven

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    I think Tyson beats Pacquiao
     
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  15. PunchOut

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    Marquez vs. Whitaker
    Marquez vs. Nelson
    Martinez vs. Nunn
    Williams vs. Nunn
    Perez vs. Caballero
    Esparragoza vs. Caballero
    Pacquiao vs. Chavez
    Pacquiao vs. Starling
    Mayweather vs. Chavez
    Mayweather vs. Starling
    Dawson vs. Hill
     
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