2012 End Of Klitschko Prophecy Thread

Welliver is ranked by the WBO/WBC, so any fighter (worthy of being ranked) who beats Welliver could be in a position to get ranked as well.

Look, we know that Welliver can talk up and promote a fight....so why wouldn't Don King or Dan Goosen want to organize a fight with Welliver involved, especially if they believe their fighter can stomp Welliver?

 

Sort of interesting to see a klitschko thread, even a stupid one. Lately everything has been about Crackquiao and Gayweather. Replete with every new conceivable, asundary angle in that whole played out melodrama.

 

Seth Mitchell is American boxing's best hope. he has power and boxing skill. Welliver is a fat bum with no power.

 

Because Welliver brings no money, did you not read my post at all? Talk is cheap, and Welliver isn't a name that is going to put people in seats outside China, NZ or whatever obscure place he usually fights out of. Why should DK or Goosen foot the bill to bring Welliver over to the US to fight one of their fighters and likely not even recoup their expenses?

They can get their fighter ranked artificially without facing Welliver anyway or have them pick up some other regional trinket that bestows a top 15 rating, just like Welliver did. He never earned his rating. Nowadays you don't have to be ranked #1 or 2 to get a title shot, we often see anyone in the top #15 having a chance at a shot for whatever reason.

 

Nobody is stupid enough to offer an odds on such a bet, since it's a surefure thing: Welliver will never hold a major title, maybe if he's lucky he can win the WBF off the winner of Botha-Grant or something

 

I would think that Welliver is going to have to beat a name opponent before getting a title shot. Whether or not he can get a shot at a name opponent is another story.

 

What did Arreola make beating Butler.........how about 45K.......Welliver could get him close to 100K.

Chamber and Thomspson were fighting for 50K each in the eliminator. Welliver in China could deliver 2X that.

Yet, for whichever reason.........no one want sot fight him.

Then again.....Mitchell, Monsour, Rodriguez, Welliver, and Wach have all personally called out Arreola.......seems he doesn't want to fight anyone better than the guys Chauncey's having to fight.

Yeah, arreola, KING OF THE DUCKERS. I lost all respect when the Rodriguez call out vid was removed for violating copyrights.:-(

 

When you say they won't fight him because he "brings no money" aren't you essentially conceding they are ducking him? Hardly any heavyweight brings fans or money to the table. What "money" does Boswell bring Sauerland when they're fighting in Helenski? None. They chose Boswell because they wanted an easier fight that they'd get credit for taking. Point is, there's probably a boxer out there (like a Solis or Chambers) who would view Welliver in much the same way that the Sauerland team views Boswell. Beating someone like Welliver might get them that 2nd title shot.

 

No I'm not conceding anything. I'm telling you, why should a fighter fight for free and the promoter put themself in a position to lose money? Thats not smart business.

You're right, Boswell likely brings little to no money also, but Sauerland can stage the fight in Finland for peanuts (if it even comes off, remember the Valuev/Chagaev/Meehan fiasco) and they "buy" Povetkin an easy defense and buys him some more time with his regular WBA belt. They made decent money on the Chagaev fight, so they can do this.

Beating Welliver for someone like Solis or Chambers as you say proves little. Welliver has an artificial rating, not that ratings mean so much anyway anymore. Welliver has never beaten a top 100 HW. So why should their promoter pay Welliver, and their fighter also to fight with Welliver while he is bringing nothing to the deal, when it's going to prove nothing in the division and only serve to take Wellivers artificial rating. There's other more profitable means of getting to that 2nd shot.

 

Well, admittedly it's difficult to judge how much credit a rated boxer would get for beating Welliver, since his profile is enlarged around here by being an OTR host. Maybe other American boxing fans outside ESB have never heard of him.

However, it's hard to imagine Welliver refusing a fight with Arreola for the same money that they paid Butler or Ahnyunya (he'd take it because he'd want the exposure, win or lose). Surely Arreola would get MORE credit for beating Welliver, who is not shot, doesn't have a losing record, and is ranked by 2 orgs after all (not sure how you can discount that so easily...sure the WBC is corrupt but they're still one of the more reputable orgs, as is the WBO). The reason this ain't happening is most likely because they consider Welliver dangerous. To say "there's no money in it" is disengenous when Welliver would be prepared to fight for the same money as whatever bum Goosen decides to hire.

Personally I think Chambers/Welliver or Arreola/Welliver would be worthy of a Friday Night Fights card. But nobody seems willing to confront Goosen and ask why that won't happen.

However I'd go on to criticize Welliver as I have above for only calling out easy marks that would pay him big bucks....why not call out the contenders without huge profiles (like Solis, Thompson, Chambers, Lawrence, Boswell) and get some street cred first, before going on about how various weak ranked fighters are ducking him.

 

Well the reason I discount Welliver's ratings is simple. He's got those rankings by virtue of holding WBO/WBC obscure regional trinkets and personal lobbying. He's never beaten a top 100 fighter, much less a top 15 fighter that might legitimize being ranked. It's just absurd.

I agree that Welliver's calling out of old shot names is not doing him any service, and that he needs to be targeting other legitimate contenders, especially some Euro HW's. Hell I even suggested that he try to make a fight with Kali Meehan some time ago, but now Kali is out of the picture and past it, right along with Tua.

 

Peter = Shot
Barrett = Beyond Shot
Love and Brisbal = huh? who?

Great matchmaking nuthugger :-(