2014 Fighter of the Year: Naoya "Monster" Inoue

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yes, but not the best year against the best opposition.
     
  2. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I wanted to chose trip G but for some reason the dude wasn't even a choice, wth guys
     
  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    He was expressly left off, yes, that was by design.

    I now regret having not omitted Pacquiao and Mayweather, too, but just figured I'd never hear the end of it from their factions if they didn't at least get a (thoroughly undeserved, and bought through staying name value alone) berth.

    There are in fact only five names for which reasonable arguments can be made and even among those Inoue's argument is nigh untouchable. (though I'd be happy to listen with an open mind to any respected poster's breakdown of why Crawford/Kovalev/Ruenroeng/Gonzalez ought to be ahead of him)
     
  4. WildStyle

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    How's that? About 75% of the people who post on this site are morons. You shouldn't be surprised.
     
  5. WildStyle

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    Just out of curiosity, why isn't Nicholas Walters on the list?
     
  6. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Pacquiao fans are so predictable.

    The only surprise with the poll results are that, thankfully, there does seem to be more actual boxing fans than just Pack fans.

    Pack is clearly below Inoue, Roman, Amnat, and Crawford this year. You could debate if he had a better year than Kovalev (which I think he did have in a razor close argument). But you can not realistically debate his year being better than the above 4 that I listed.
     
  7. Super Hans

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    Yet I'm sure you Mayweather fanatics would make a huge argument for him if he'd beaten Bradley and Algieri as Pacquiao did.

    As it is, Pacquiao's 2014 is about as good, if not better than Mayweather's 2013, and I'm sure you picked Mayweather in 2013 but anyone that's picks Pacquiao this year is a total disgrace to you.
     
  8. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Uh. I smell an insecurity...

    Anyways, Mayweathers' 2013 campaign was compared against others' 2013 campaigns. The only other fighter reasonably suggested to have had a better 2013 was Adonis Stevenson. There were no candidates whose year was better than Mayweathers' in the sense that Mayweathers' wasn't a viable option in comparison.

    In the context of this thread and the debate of Fighter of the Year, Pacquiao's 2014 campaign is compared against others' 2014 campaigns (not their 2013). There are a good 6 or so fighters 2014 which could be reasonably suggested as being better than Pacquiao's. And there are a good 3 or 4 fighters whom Pacquiao's 2014 cannot reasonably be suggested to have been better than theirs.

    And that is only eating alive in a simple explanation 1 of the 2 irrelevant claims you made there...
     
  9. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I do think your first statement is probably correct. Unfortunately...

    Sort of like how some jackasses out there would try to say Bradley @ 147 (#2 WW, WBO titlist) and Algieri @ 144 (unranked WW) is better than Alvarez @ 152 (#1 JMW, Lineal/WBC/WBA titlist) and Guerrero @ 147 (mid-top 10 WW).

    Oh wait... you just did that.

    Hmm...
     
  10. Nonito Smoak

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    For the above convo, yes, Budler's biggest wins (Xiong, Joyi, etc) have been underrated for various reasons which likely constitute those discrediting him as being hypocrites in other discussions.

    Cuello entered the Xiong fight as the "super feared devastating" strawweight who was in everyones' top 5 and many fans' #1 "H2H." Despite the injury, which seemed severe and was legit based on Cuello's long inactivity which followed and the WBC announcing they were paying for the surgical operation after Cuello petitioned them for such a favor. That is why the WBC still ranks him highly as he has been paying them sanctioning fees for years now. With all of that, I still only had Xiong winning by 1 or 2 points.

    But guess what? Just like Lennox Lewis won via TKO6, Xiong beat Denver Cuello via MD12. A quality MD12 win is a quality MD12 win. Too much is lost on that nowadays.

    In the end though, despite respecting Budler as much as I do, I must side that his 2014 was much below the quality of 10 other fighters easily... Good shout as an honorable mention, though.
     
  11. Super Hans

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    Actually along with Stevenson, it was also reasonable to suggest Tim Bradley, Danny Garcia, and Guillermo Rigondeaux were all candidates for having a better year than Mayweather last year if you remove your rose tinted Mayweather spectacles.

    The only fighters who unquestionably had a better year than Pacquiao, was Inoue and Runroeng, and most posters will not have seen their fights or no anything about the fighters they beat due to not being shown on TV in thw Western world where I assume most poster are from. Same goes for Gonzalez. Therefore for most posters the picks are between Pacquiao, Kovalev, Crawford and Mayweather thus voting for Pacquiao would be reasonable, so why get so butthurt about people voting for him (noticed you aren't upset about the people who voted for Mayweather though)...oh that's right because you are a Fl0M0 and dismissive Pacquiao's achievements.

    And I can guarantee if it was Mayweather that beat Bradley, and Pacquiao that had beat Alvarez at 152, you hypocrites would've rated Mayweather over Bradley higher than Pacquiao over Alvarez citing Bradley consensus pound for pound ranking while saying Alvarez was drained and only had one decent win.
     
  12. IntentionalButt

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    There is no case for Pacquiao. At least, I don't see a serious case being made to put him above Inoue. By anyone. I think because nobody can.

    I am mad at myself for including him (and Mayweather) on the poll.

    They are several places out from being anywhere near the #1 conversation (though both of their years were top-10).
     
  13. IntentionalButt

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    The same reason Golovkin wasn't.

    The same reason Pacquiao and Mayweather should've been left off, in spite of the backlash it would've caused (with both of their fan bases trolling the thread to complain about the 'slight').


    Walters had a good year. So did Golovkin, Pacquiao, Mayweather.

    None had the GREAT year that Inoue or Crawford did. (or Gonzalez, Kovalev, even Ruenroeng)
     
  14. Super Hans

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    I notice you use the Ring's ratings rather than TRB's when it suits your agenda. Alvarez was never TBR champ, Alvarez was ranked 2nd and Mayweather 1st.
     
  15. VG_Addict

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    TBH, *****s and Pac****s are both equally terrible.