2014 Individual Performance of the Year

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    You forgot the SD with Mundine, and Pacquiao already beat Bradley once not that big a deal, Hopkins is not easy to beat at all even at this age, everyone who's beat him has look really bad beating him Pascal barely beat him, Joe barely beat him the Dawson was ugly and he barely beat him, Kovalev thoroughly demolished him physically, spiritually, and mentally. A complete individual performance.
     
  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Yeah I know but a loss is a loss and should be counted no matter what happens in the rematch. I agree Sturm was close but the Sylvester match wasn't in my opinion.
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Inoue has closed the gap considerably, but how deep is the talent pool when you get below 120lbs.

    Seriously, I'm not trying to be an ass, but you don't see guys that small in everyday life.

    It's like having midgets fight. You can't take the best midget in the world seriously because there aren't that many midgets; so, therefore, there is a smaller talent pool.
     
  6. Collie

    Collie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I voted Inoue due to the sheer dominance of his win over Narvaez in 2 rounds, just edging Kovalev's over Hopkins.
     
  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    There are 625 active super flyweights, and 995 active light heavyweights. 175lb is pretty close to a median weight for in-shape adult men, yet there are 66% as many super flies as there are light heavies. If the distribution were as you claim and men that light were such an extreme rarity it wouldn't be that close.

    Further, I'd say that super fly is the much deeper talent pool in spite of being smaller (both literally and numerically).

    115lbs has: Inoue (and his brother), Cuadras, Matsumoto, Arroyo, Ishida, Morales, Villanueva, Tso, Yafai, Conlan and Butler - all young (the eldest, Arroyo, is still in his twenties) promising & unbeaten and either holding titles already or zeroing in on chances rapidly. On top of them you have world-class veterans in the mix in El Nica, El Tornado, El Gallito, Jose Salgado, Tyson Marquez, Kono, Wangek, Tete, Narváez (if he bangs on), Igarashi, and Sithsamerchai - all of whom either holds belts or have in the past or have contended multiples times at various weights.

    That's well over twenty names.

    175lbs has: Kovalev, Beterbiev, Mekhontsev, Alvarez, Oosthuizen, Lepikhin, Shabranskyy, Skoglund, Koelling, Gvozdyk, Barrera and Monaghan for rising unbeaten prospects (Kovalev close to becoming the clear-cut #1 in the division, if not already). Rounding things out you have the other two world title claimants in Stevenson & Brähmer, along with contenders Pascal, Hopkins (if he bangs on), Chilemba, Campillo, Mohammedi, Fonfara, Krasniqi, and Murat.

    I stretched to make 23 names for a fair comparison.

    Light heavy is top-loaded with talent, and the best 5-6 names (Kovalev, Beterbiev, Mekhontsev, Brähmer, Pascal, Stevenson) collectively probably trump 115's best half-dozen. For overall depth, though, 175 has a lot of dead - or dying - weight. Campillo is pretty well past his prime, only slightly less so than a couple of former champs I didn't even mention because of how clearly ravaged and devoid of h2h value they are by now, Dawson & Cloud. After that first half dozen or so names, the current p4p quality of the next 17-18 is consistently higher at super fly.

    Guys like Skoglund, Koelling, Monaghan, Krasniqi, Murat, Sukhotsky and Mohammedi who are prospect/contenders at light heavyweight are woefully average talents, all easily worse pound for pound than every single name on the 115lb list above.

    So "midgets" as far back as 25th best in a shallower division are better than guys ranked top 15 in a division with 33% more participants. You might want to rethink what you do and don't take seriously.
     
  8. Koba

    Koba Whimsical Inactivisist Full Member

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    Umm

    Hopkins (183lbs) vs Dawson (187lbs)
    Hopkins (182lbs) vs Kovalev (188lbs)


    In fact that's relatively low for Hopkins who fought Pascal at 186lbs, and extremely low for Dawson (whos now a CW) who fought Pascal (I think) at 193 lbs - about the heaviest I know of a LHW coming to the ring.

    Compare and contrast Stevenson(189) vs Bellew(190) and you find that Kovalev who usually fights at around 182-4lbs (bulking to 188lbs vs Hopkins was possibly a deliberate attempt to have a strength and weight advantage in case it became a wrestling match) and is only 6' tall is actually far from being a big LHW (though somehow he always looks it in the ring).

    Furthermore it was Dawson who used the roughouse tactics and size advantage to control Hopkins at various points in the fight whereas Kovalev simply outboxed him and controlled the fight far more effectively through the use of his skills.

    For me winning 9 rounds (or so), some close, as Dawson did in Hopkins II is a solid win, but not a domination - What Kovalev did to an admittedly older Hopkins undoubtedly was.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :good

    Yeah, the dominance of Kovalev had very little to do with brawn. He really did outbox the old man, part of what made it so impressive (and not only in the running but leading the poll as IPOTY).

    Also, he does look visually much larger than he actually is. Strange, too, because you'd think with that high upper-body distribution of bulk mass he would have skinny chicken legs as is often the case - but nah. His legs are fine. He doesn't have crazy Manny Pacquiao calves or anything, but he isn't exactly on stilts either. His legs are perfectly normal/averagely proportioned by athlete standards. :huh

    Low bone density maybe? :conf
     
  10. jim jim

    jim jim Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yeah heavy hands, hes a top athlete too though gets his entire body weight through all his shots
     
  11. BOMB SQUAD

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    Happy Groundhog Day!
     
  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :worm
     
  13. IKSAB

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    Forgot about Lomachenkos win over Russell, thats up there for me
     
  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    You should have nominated it!

    Could've perhaps made the poll, if you had reminded others. :think
     
  15. IKSAB

    IKSAB Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Didn't think of it at the time :oops: think it would've probably done pretty well had it made the poll def makes my top 5