2014 Individual Performance of the Year

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  1. shoe

    shoe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i liked the golovkin win over rubio better than geale, taking the mexican out of him with that uppercut and tomahawk chop to the forehead.
     
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  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    That nearly 50 year old had just unified two of the major belts at 175lbs. You must think very lowly of Cloud, Murat and Shumenov if you think calling Hopkins still elite is a joke. :think
     
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  3. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Since when was beating Periban a top notch world class win?

    I'll tell you; since never.

    Karpency beating faded 2014 Dawson is much more significant and a superior win.
     
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  4. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But...

     
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  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Noted. :good


    Congrats, you just knocked two bouts over the 5-nomination hump (Walters TKO6 Donaire and Klitschko KO5 Pulev) - meaning half our ten slots are now filled! :happy
     
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  6. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Yes.

    My response?

    Marco Antonio Periban; recently defeated by the one and only J'Leon Love.

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    Estrada over Segura... Estrada's form in that fight may well be the best of any fighter we saw all year and against a solid proven top 10 Flyweight. Do I still put it on the level of an Inoue/Narvaez or Pacquiao/Bradley II? Of course not. That would be stupid of me.

    Not factoring in the opponent is odd. If that's the case then a good argument exists for Wladimir over Leapai because Leapai literally didn't land a punch. But would it be remotely acceptable to genuinely push that obvious agenda? No.

    We might as well merge the thread into a hybrid with "biggest upsets" and "best knockouts" of the year then.
     
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  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Correct.


    Which is why, IMO, Ruenroeng's decision over Ioka was enough to put him in the F'erOTY conversation and make him top 6 or so on paper - but when evaluating the performance itself (namely that he got a gift and should've lost by a good few points on my card, and many others') it has absolutely no place in a conversation like this one.

    This isn't 'significant wins of the year', it's Performance of the Year. The opponent quality factors into evaluating the quality of a performance, of course, but in this particular conversation it isn't the only consideration and in fact isn't even the most important one.
     
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  8. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Nice, I don't think there's any controversy there.

    How the heII did Rodriguez/Takayama FOTY-caliber unification not get a nomination?!??
     
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  9. Dos Huevos

    Dos Huevos Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This!

    It was great when Rubio eventually got up, rubbing his head, replete with that stupid look on his face.
     
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  10. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Yeah but that puts too much emphasis on the stock of the (EDIT) winning fighter going into the fight... Under that criteria, one could realistically list the 10 biggest upsets of the year and probably fit the criteria far better than anyone currently has so far.

    Good example for Ruenroeng/Ioka, I thought of that exactly before I made my list of 9 top performances.
     
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  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Except that Periban vs. Love could've gone either way and Love was on the verge of being KTFO over a long stretch in the middle, and Periban was coming off a draw with Badou Jack. Had the nods gone his way in those previous two (as many felt they could've), Periban would have brought a pretty nice resume in against DeGale, having deflowered two pretty hyped and well-backed then-unbeaten prospects.

    So the worth of DeGale completely dominating him is more than it would appear on paper.
     
    IntentionalButt, Jan 15, 2015
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  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Exactly because it was a FOTY candidate.

    By definition those are usually competitive, with back and forth momentum swings (as did Rodriguez vs. Takayama). I had it 115-112 Rodriguez in the end.

    That's a bit close to be considered a performance of the year when some guys (like Kovalev, or Inoue) completely dominated (via shutout or brutal KO) much better fighters than Katsunari Takayama.
     
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  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Except that Segura was noticeably shot. Not just in the fight with Estrada itself, but writing had been on the wall in his previous outing with Salguero and honestly for a good while before that. He's paying the price for years of using that Margarito style, which is taxing on a light middleweight body, let alone someone of Segura's diminutive size.

    MAP on the other hand is fully in his prime and had developed a reputation as "prospect truth serum", and like I said could have been coming in 2-0 over Jack and Love with slightly more generous (and realistic) scoring from the judges.
     
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  14. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I respect and understand what you are saying here, I really do. But there are probably over 100 better examples this year of a quality performance given the state of both fighters and how the fight unfolded and in my honest opinion I'm not exaggerating.

    And hey I hate J Love as much as the next guy but I haven't ever heard someone make the argument that he wasn't the close-but-clear winner over Periban. Should the fight have been stopped? Maybe. But it wasn't and Love quite clearly escaped with a narrow victory...

    The criteria itself is highly debatable even when spelled out, that's why forums are fun enough to keep coming back, I suppose...
     
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  15. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I agree with the Badau fight. Perhaps I should rewatch Periban/Love but I don't think I am "mis-remembering" (to quote Roger Clemens) that fight.
     
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