2016 Luis Ortiz vs 2016 Anthony Joshua

Parker beats the $hit out of Ortiz, Ruiz and probably Whyte ffs lol

 

For starters, because Luis and Parker aren't the same damn boxer....and it's more than just 'fast feet'. Boxing in the real world isn't set like boxing in a damn video game FFS....

 

But he doesn't want to hear that, because boxing apparently has to follow some sort of mathmatical logic

 

The way some guys try to compare fighters is beyond lunacy. It's some Mark Ant type (il)logic.

 

Chisora lost every round until he knocked him out.

 

Did he? Thought he came to debate in a totally unbiased and even-handed manner (while lauding every marginal Ortiz quality and painting Joshua in the worst possible light).

Thus far we've had:

- Ortiz had super fast footwork and the handspeed of a middleweight
- Joshua has a glass heart and glass jaw despite being undefeated in 2016
- Ortiz has an iron jaw and tons of heart (displayed, presumably, against the likes of Lateef Kayode)
- Martin was a crappy bum when he fought Joshua but a highly seasoned pro when he fought Ortiz
- Molina was an awesome knockout machine when he fought Wilder but a washed up dive merchant against Joshua
- Jennings was an ATG win
- Wlad win doesn't count because it hadn't happened yet
- Wilder was a super-skilled Olympic Bronze Medallist
- Joshua? What da fuq did he ever achieve?

Yep, sure am glad another excellent debate is being had.

 

Jesus christs.... do you always try to link together apples and ****in pinecones???

"Well, when Wilder did it fans said....."

Of course, this idiot likely has me on ignore.

 

I'll answer your silly question (even though you apparently have me on ignore for daring to question your impeccably fair-minded debating skills).

The poster you quoted never mentioned slow feet, just slowness overall, which Ortiz possesses in abundance. Slow ponderous feet, slow ponderous hands, slow ponderous brain. Ruiz at least has the ability to throw hands with the best of them, and specialises in catching fighters in the middle of flurries. That's how he caught Joshua. Ortiz doesn't do that. He sits back and counter shots with one or two (slow) punches.

Ruiz, of course, is not slow of hand. Though you gloss over that because it defeats your point that he's inferior to Ortiz in every way. His stubbiness is also a benefit for him, as he can still throw hard fast flurries from in close, something Ortiz has never demonstrated the ability to do.

2016 Joshua was not the same as 2019 Joshua. He was oozing with confidence having never tasted the canvas. Maybe that would have been a disadvantage for him, maybe an advantage. Hard to say. But it's very possible that fight may have gone Joshua's way had it happened back then.

Ortiz in 2016 was at his peak, and riding high, but he was also completely untested against any punchers. The first puncher he ever fought splattered him. In his last fight he got dropped by a jab. What's the odds he beats a savage punching giant in Joshua wouldn't have exposed his china chin back then?

Anyway, all moot since Joshua clearly beats him at any stage in either men's careers.

 

Chisora easily walkedbhom down and Scott pretended he lost track of the count he flipped against Thompson and Ortiz as well, obvious to everyone including the HBO team who couldn't hide their disdain

 

Joshua by late KO imo.

 

No he didn't he was getting properly schooled by Scott and caught him with a big overhand right at the start of the 5th. If I remember the stoppage a bit early and debatable too. You obviously haven't seen the fight.