2017 and the paradigm shift in Combat Sports

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  1. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    The PPV model that held boxing up and MMA down has drastically shifted and 2016 proved this. With the absence of Mayweather and the attraction he brought to the business, UFC, Bellator and other MMA promotions have swooped in and made billions in just 1 year.

    UFC PPVs 2016
    01/02/2016 UFC 195 Lawler vs Condit: 300,000
    03/05/2016 UFC 196 McGregor vs Diaz :1,600,000
    04/23/2016 UFC 197 Jones vs St. Preux: 425,000
    05/14/2016 UFC 198 Werdum vs Miocic: 350,000
    06/04/2016 UFC 199 Rockhold v Bisping 2: 320,000
    07/09/2016 UFC 200 Tate v Nunes: 1,200,000
    07/30/2016 UFC 201 Lawler v Woodley :240,000
    08/20/2016 UFC 202 McGregor v Diaz 2: 1,650,000
    12/30/2016 UFC 207 Nunes vs Rousey: TBD (*but I guess over 900,000)


    Boxing PPVs 2016
    April 9, 2016 – Pacquiao-Bradley III: 400K PPV buys
    May 7, 2016 – Alvarez-Khan: 450K-600K PPV buys
    July 23, 2016 – Crawford-Postol: 50K-60K PPV buys
    September 17, 2016 – Alvarez-Smith: 300K PPV buys
    November 5, 2016 – Pacquiao-Vargas: 300K PPV buys
    November 19, 2016 – Ward-Kovalev: 160,000 PPV buys


    Just in perspective the UFC had far more PPVs than boxing in 2016 but in reality their lowest PPV sales for that year outsold or equaled, the new face of boxing, Canelo Alvarez, last PPV by thousands. This is the new reality of boxing and why PPV has to go. It is no longer the playing field it used to be. You can blame May/Pac if you want but nobody else is picking up the slack for boxing and it's lack of bankable stars. You can say it's because of KOs but more than half of those events ended in Decision wins. The truth is the hype machine and personalities.

    It's not black or white, american or foreign, man or woman or any of these excuses fans or fighters make in boxing. MMA has climbed and replaced boxing in the mainstream and it is what it is. Many people make excuses for why things didn't go a certain way or sell and demand money that's not really there. Example...

    Ward vs Kovalev 1 did not sell very well. A rematch really isn't going to sell either if Ward wants more money that's really not there.
    Golovkin vs Jacobs is a great fight to attend. I don't see it doing any better than Kov vs Ward in PPVs and someone is going to take a loss financially.
    Canelo vs Chavez is being held up for money that does not exist for that fight. Chavez is a bum.
    Canelo vs Golovkin is the most sellable fight in boxing but I don't see it cracking 1 million unless both of these guys get a personality transplant in the next few months.

    To end my rant. Boxing needs to get back to it's roots. There is only 1 Pacquiao and 1 Mayweather and those days are over. Sometimes half a million will have to do which in comparison to their MMA counterparts who fight 4 times a year is a windfall. Hopefully 2017 boxing gets the action back in the ring and outside of the internet and boardroom money battles. Leave that to the fans.
     
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  2. Shoshana

    Shoshana Member banned Full Member

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    Didn't read.
     
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  3. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    UFC competes a lot more with WWE than boxing, exact same model.
    We should be comparing those two.
     
  4. Limerickbox

    Limerickbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is PPV really the means of saying what is move popular?
    Far more boxing on free TV.

    But yes MMA is gaining and thats just a fact.
     
  5. GK BOX

    GK BOX Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Excellent post.
     
  6. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks for providing the figures.

    You said "PPV has to go". To be replaced with what? Where is the boxing revenue going to come from without PPV?
     
  7. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well researched but I do agree with like a boss, what is the solution

    Boxing may just find itself moving further toward obscurity. It's odd people panicked when rousey and conor lost but it seems the sport moves on. Jon Jones goes away sport moves on.

    Maybe the buy out and the next few moves change ufcs trajectory but it seems on an up swing as boxing dwindles
     
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  8. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Boxing doesn't capture our imaginations, anymore. It's not pushed by promotion companies to make it RELEVANT and important.
    Eddie Hearn is doing an amazing job because he's tying British culture with boxing, for us Brits. An Anthony Joshua fight isn't simply something we watch, it's an event we 'do' (if that makes sense). Before Conor McGregor bursted onto the scene, UFC hasn't even been properly 'introduced' into our culture, we didn't see ourselves relating to UFC.
    That is lost with boxing in USA. Promoters are lazy and rely on mechanisms that worked for them many decades ago, but they're not pro-actively leading anymore. There's nothing cutting edge.
     
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  9. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with you regarding Hearn. People can disrespect or hate him all they like, but he is a walking talking publicity machine for his fighters.

    As for the UFC, they had the disadvantage of boxing having about 200 years head start on them. But the UFC saw how and why boxing was in such a bloody mess and were able to exploit that to their advantage.
     
  10. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Interesting you mentioned that. We may see a virtually cyclical re-emergence of boxing because we're starting to see UFC fall into boxing's patterns of corruptions increasingly. It may clean up its act. I would like Boxing to reinforce the rule of forcing boxers to fight more. UFC will increasingly operate with fighters point scoring more, as they've been shifting towards much more.
     
  11. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I see no visible evidence of boxing improving so far. Boxing appears to be too far up its own rear end to do anything about it, even if it wanted to. The reality is it needs to.
     
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  12. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I see no evidence either, but they could find an opportunity once UFC falls deeper into corruption.
     
  13. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If the UFC, one way or the other, forces boxing to re-access, great. But the greedy, greedy minority who run boxing are far, far more concerned about their bank balances than the sport that makes them rich.
     
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  14. Drachenorden

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    UFC is ****, don't even mention it. It's an American niche obscurity, it's not even a proper sport and no one outside of USA cares about it or even knows what it is.

    I'm actually glad boxing is dying in America, if you want a legit, global marquee sport like football and formula one you need to keep it as far away from USA as possible. America and American boxing fans are the biggest problem here, they're the ones who have kept financing the corruption in boxing for decades by buying PPVs and supporting this model, if Americans decide that they'd rather follow the UFC this would be the best thing for boxing. American sport model favors capitalist entertainment and exploitation over competition.

    As Europeans dominate boxing more and more we will hopefully see boxing transform into a real sport with Europe as its base.

    PPV model is complete crap and it shouldn't exist in boxing. It was only made because of Mike Tyson and then it got carried on by these huge mainstream stars like De La Hoya, Mayweather and Pacquiao. Unless you have these type of stars and fights it's useless and I don't know why American people buy this.

    Sports should be widely available and free to watch on free TV. This is how you introduce the sport to the masses. This is how Klitschko was making huge money and became famous all over Europe. His fights were available for free, I could watch all of his fights as part of my regular internet + TV package that costs me 20€ a month.

    A lot of regular European sport fans would watch and follow boxing but can't because of PPV models and also the time difference. All boxing fights should be put on regular sport channels that everyone can watch just like everyone can watch European football leagues, tennis grand slams and formula one without paying anything extra. If you made boxing available for free the sport would absolutely boom and everyone would watch it, the money would pour in from sponsorships and TV deals.


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  15. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The money has to come from somewhere. I'm keen to know WHERE boxing is going to find the money it generates from PPV from other sources??