2022: The Year Of The Pointless Rematch That No One Was Asking For.

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    What the hell is up with this year? Most of the time rematches are highly anticipated due to the usual incredibly competitive nip/tuck nature of the first one. Which is totally understandable. But this year we've seen a truly bizarre pattern emerge, where opponents who were thoroughly outclassed to the point of it being a domination, the first time around, where the outcome was never in doubt even in the home countries of the A-sides, getting a shot at redemption, which is usually an insurmountable task. Which results in nothing more than wasting a 6 month span in a fighter's career, only for it to end with them taking another vicious beating and receiving another shiny new L on their resume, while boring the fans out of their skulls in the process. A "come to Jesus" moment really needs to be had with the fighters in question, or their promoters, or managers, or whoever it is encouraging them to push for or take them. They're being led astray. Because it's usually an exercise in futility, yet another blow to their career and record, and at worst, shaves years off of their career or even life. Because sometimes the writing on the wall is crystal clear, they will not be victorious. Is the money really worth it? I doubt in this day and age, where promoters can get a **** ton of money for the A-side, regardless of who the opponent is, that a guaranteed L in a low demand rematch is the best route to take. Especially when you know the probable outcome in advance will be a detrimental one. Unless the people making the fights really are that unhinged, and have convinced themselves or convinced their fighters that they can walk away victorious. Well if that's the case, then maybe a full blown intervention is needed, because the promoters, managers and fighters might very well be completely delusional. Where's Adrian Balboa, with the patented, "You can't win!" When you need her?:sisi1 Because this is getting to be rigoddamndiculous.

    A brief rundown of the POINTLESS rematches and possible rematches no one wanted or needed in 2022.

    Devin Haney vs. George Kambosos 2
    Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua 2
    Naoya Inoue vs. Nonito Donaire 2
    Tyson Fury vs. Dereck Chisora 3
    Canelo Alvarez vs. Gennady Golovkin 3
    Fernando Daniel Martinez vs. Jerwin Ancajas 2
    Martin Bakole vs. Tony Yoka 2
    Panya Pradabsri vs. Chayaphon Moonsri 2
    Chris Billam-Smith vs. Tommy McCarthy 2
    Erika Cruz Hernandez vs. Jelena Mrdjenovich 2
    Jonathan Rice vs. Michael Polite Coffie 2
    Koen Mazoudier vs. Joel Camilleri 2

    There's one outlier, where the original outcome changed.
    Kubrat Pulev vs. Dereck Chisora 2

    Am I forgetting any?
     
  2. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    Panya Pradabsri vs. Chayaphon Moonsri 2

    Wanheng was unlucky to walk away with a loss in the first one according to most people, and he had 12 defenses prior to being beaten 113-115 on all official cards by Panya.

    Kubrat Pulev vs. Dereck Chisora 2

    This is basically old Chisora fighting ancient Pulev. It was pointless in the sense that Chisora would have his hand raised short of a beating on par with the first one.


    No issue with anything else you said.

    Also, Yabuki lost to Ken Shiro by KO 3 in their rematch, changing the result.
     
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  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I scored the first one 115-113 Pradabsri, thought 116-112 was fine as well, but in no way shape or form did Wanheng deserve the win in that match. @Chuck Norris and @f1ght3rz were also scoring that morning, and had it roughly the same. No one thought the result was controversial. It's not as pointless as the rest, but ultimately proved to be a retread of the original, which most were expecting.

    Pulev won the first fight walking away, and I thought Chisora nicked the rematch by a round. It was just a case of who was shot more, kind of like Concepcion-Marquez 3. Who ironically, I just read avenged that loss in a 4th match on October 7th. So add another one to the changed result list.:lol:
     
  4. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Let's suppose that Kambosos decided he didn't want to get slapped around again by Haney. What does he do going forward?

    Will his next fight pay what dancing with Haney again pays? Could Kambosos at this stage in his career really change his game up enough to ever get to where he was a second time?

    I guess to answer "Is the money really worth it?" question you have to know what each guy got into the sport to do. Did they come to create a legacy or make a lot of money as soon as humanly possible?

    For Kambosos I think it was definitely worth it and Haney wasnt going to get the fight unless he agreed so...

    We need to go down to Home Depot and rent a wood chipper, gas it up, get all the lawyers and boxing promoters together and throw them into it.

    Then we can ban auto rematchroom style clauses if the scores are wide.
     
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  5. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    I scored the first one 118-110 and the second one 114-114, but I have no problem with scores for Chisora in the second one. I just remember that in certain areas I saw some fans scoring the second fight 118-110 Chisora, and of course they almost robbed Pulev in the first one. I just have a rather sour taste in my mouth about those fights due to the judges in the first fight and fan reaction in the second fight.
     
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  6. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    Check mate!
     
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  7. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    Quite a lot of guys on here were actually getting excited about this one, though, coming on as if there was a distinct possibility that it would provide some kind of definitive closure to the Canelo-Golovkin drama (which it didn't, of course, but only attached an epilogue of further rancor and dissatisfaction).
     
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  8. Curlew

    Curlew Active Member Full Member

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    And Fury-Wilder 3 was only a couple of months before the turn of the year.

    I suppose it's just another symptom of boxing eating itself. The "zero" seems to be becoming more important to some fighters than anything else, as if that and an easy payday are the only driving factors in matchmaking. Fights like Fury-Joshua, Crawford-Spence etc. seem increasingly hard to make when these fighters have an easier, less risky route to money. And what could be less risky than fighting either someone you've already handily beaten, or someone who's received a bus pass since you last fought them? There will always be a portion of the paying fanbase who will convince themselves that these fights are worth getting excited about. But it's disrespectful to fans, and while it may work out in the short term for the fighters involved, the long-term affect on boxing can only be to push it further towards irrelevance.
     
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  9. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    This wasn't a pointless rematch because Nonito went on to win the WBC title when he savagely destroyed and KO'd Oubaali. Not only did Nonito stand in the way of Inoue's goal of becoming undisputed, but Nonito put a fantastic account of himself in their first fight.
     
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  10. mirexxa

    mirexxa Heavyweight Champ Full Member

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    Joshua vs Usyk was far from pointless
     
  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Damn! If Jake ''Money'' Paul vs Tyron Woodley was just a few weeks later the most pointless rematch of all time would've made your list
     
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  12. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Comments below.

     
  13. Philly161

    Philly161 "Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless" banned Full Member

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    Damn I wanna argue with u but I strait up forgot half these fights even happened. So yeah pointless is probably the word.
     
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  14. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There really were a lot this year. Haney-Kambo and Chisora-Pulev stand out as particularly egregious.

    Boxing, like the movie industry, has realized that you can just feed people the same slop expending half the effort while retaining 80% of the profit.

    Get ready for Wilder - Fury IV
     
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  15. Philly161

    Philly161 "Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless" banned Full Member

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    Just saw online they're talking about AJ vs Whyte 2 too
     
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