22-0 Lennox Lewis vs 22-0 Tyson Fury

I thought that was evander Holyfield :nut

 

People are generally thick and believe any old hype, so when they see a loud mouth low life like Tyson Fury on their TV screen saying "I'm a fighting man", "I'll fight anyone, anywhere, any time", these idiots then go "hey, I like that Tyson Fury, he's a fighting man who will fight anyone, anywhere, any time don't you know". Having the mental capacity to look beyond taking everything they see in the media at face is beyond them.

 

The conscious portion of life presents little difficulty to me, unlike yourself (obviously). The thread is clearly titled "22-0 Lewis vs- 22-0 Fury"! For the hard of thinking (such as yourself) the OP is asking us who do we believe would have won in a MYTHICAL match up between both fighters after they had each fought 22 fights!! Yet you claim that a time machine and some form of selective memory device is required to form an opinion!! Then you bang on about judging Fury at the end of his career, when the thread is titled "22-0 Lewis vs-22-0 Fury"!!! You regally state that we should wait until Fury's career is over before comparing Lewis to Fury! Why? READ THE TITLE OF THE THREAD!!!

When Fury's career is over, how will that allow us to consider him in a match up with Lewis, if (according to you) we require a time machine to consider a match-up between both fighters after they have participated in 22 professional boxing bouts?

In case you had not noticed, you are in a minority of one on this thread!! Everyone else has been able to provide an opinion on how they believe such a fight would have went..so I guess all of us do not know what we are on about?? Your lack of an opinion regarding such a mythical match-up speaks to your lack of boxing knowledge!!

All your talk about time-machines, memory devices and "the truth" etc...there is nothing sadder than a moron attempting to apply science to the subjective!!

I note with interest that you do not claim to post in the "Classic" section!! I guess that posting there is beyond your capabilities. Rather like a small child being terrified of a large swimming pool, you look and may have occasionally stuck your toe in (with a smiley face or thumbs up) but you have no intention of actually participating in any of the threads!!!

Were you to visit the "Classic Section" and infect it with posts containing your attitude towards "Fantasy match-ups" (which is basically what that section is about) you would be ridiculed, and rightly so!! I tell you what, why don't you pop over to "Classic" and infect some of their excellent threads with your tiresome and obtuse posts??

You are of very little significance on here and it is obvious that yksab, so I truly doubt that I could learn anything from you regarding the sport of boxing so kindly refrain from trying to "Spell things out for me" on a subject I clearly know more about than you.

 

Yikes!

There's no beef here dudlynflya, you seem to have drawn first blood, so to speak by 'pooh-pooh'-ing my opinion that judging a past (and now ATG) fighter after reaching a 22-0 record is of no value.

How the funk you from that to flat out ridiculing me for having the temerity to point out my initial point (which you still don't appear to grasp) to you time and again...I don't know...perhaps it's fueled by insecurity..?

I am fully aware of the idea of fantasy match-ups, my point is that going back to Lewis' 23rd fight as a pro and then 'judging' how he would fare against the Fury of today is fu¢king ridiculous even by 'fantasy match-up' standards!! DUE TO THE FACT THERE IS ZERO OBJECTIVITY!!!

Perhaps you can digest this concept in time.

'Moron...applying science to the subjective...'.......come on now.....the irony is that I'm saying that is what an analysis of this 'match-up' is! It is you who is doing that, not me! Bit of a co¢k up there in your reasoning there non?

As for the classic section, perhaps a total 'non-moron' like yourself could look at my post history an see that I have posted in the Classic section and encountered a decent debate rather than the aggressive posturing you've displayed. Then you wouldn't have to guess.....and be wrong.

I don't want a spat on here and this is bordering on the ridiculous, you enjoy yourself.....I apologise for suggesting a different point of view obviously.

 

If the question was phrased "how would Tyson Fury do against the Lewis that just beat Ruddock?" Would you be happier with it as a fantasy match up? Or are we saying Fury hasn't faced anyone as good as Lennox had at that point so we can't accurately judge?

 

My point is that it's always going to go against Fury AT THIS POINT IN TIME. Just a thinly veiled way to have a dig and say "He's no Lewis!"

Let's 'fantasize' that T Fury goes on to have a more dominant career than Lewis, then we could have this discussion again and people would be siding with Fury....for some seemingly logical reasons.

Judge whatever way, it's of no value to me (I do realise this sounds very sour!), all I know is that whatever 'reasoning' could be applied now will change by the time Fury has retired and left a body of work, as Lewis has.
It is the body of work and the objective analysis of it that makes for interesting fantasy match-up discussions for me, not comparing current young fighters across eras to ATGs.
(For the record, I KNOW a 22-0 Lewis wasn't an ATG then but he is now and that is the only point anyone can judge the younger version from, making the argument skewed and frankly invalid.)

 

Fair enough. I thought this was a stupid question because a motivated Lewis is a h2h beast who it's very hard to pick against and the other boxer is tyson fury who I think would struggle to be a contender in other eras. Would I pick him over prime herbie hide or tommy Morrison even? Prob not. David Tua? Def not. And these guys were far from the best.

Could Tyson Fury do a number on that version of Ruddock that Lewis did? Prob not. As I say I don't hate Tyson I just don't think he's any good

 

I think the reason this cannot be answered properly and so is a waste of a thread is because you would be judging Fury on what he has done and shown at 22-0 but would not do so with Lewis. You cannot un-know what you later learnt.

Any comparison made by people would include knowledge gleaned from the whole career of LL. You may say you are comparing 22-0 with 22-0 but you are looking at two men and judging what you know about those men and you know stuff about LL now that you did not at 22-0.

You could at that stage argue that we do not know how LL would fare with a tall fighter of quality and that could tip your prediction as that was the case back then but as we subsequently know he can handle tall guys quite easily, your subsequent knowledge will influence your pick now.

Or are you going to try and pretend that you will pick Fury as he is taller than Lennox and you do not know if Lennox could handle that (despite knowing that he could, but that was something that was learnt later)

 

Thank you ESB! Hence my comments about needing a time-machine and a memory wiping device in order to look at LL 22-0 from the same perspective as we judge TF now and therefore make a fair comparison. Phew!

I don't intend to disparage people from discussing fantasy match-ups or having fun banter, just wanted to point out the unjust nature of slating TF by this comparison.

Some people have taken to this thread and essentially repeated what I've said 'in a funny voice' trying to make it sound stupid, thanks for taking the time to more eloquently state the harmless point(s) I was trying to make.:good

 

I do take on board what you have wrote, but the fact is that after Lennox Lewis had fought 22 bouts we knew that he could easily handle tall world class HW fighters, as he had demolished 6ft 5" Tyrell Biggs (another Olympian). Lewis had also TKO'd the 6ft 5" Riddick Bowe, to win Gold at The Olympics.

Lewis' victory over Bowe (despite being an amateur bout) is relevant as two weeks after Lewis beat Ruddock to go 22-0, Bowe was defeating Evander Holyfield to become a multi-belt HW Champion.

Like many others, I did state earlier in the thread why I felt a match-up between two 22-0 fighters could be considered and how I felt such a fight could go. And I used what I knew of Lewis at 22-0, not what he became, to form my opinion. I have followed boxing long before LL came on the boxing scene, so I can remember vividly who and how he fought.

I do agree that it is impossible to match the two guys up (unless we borrow FWB's time machine) which is why all I gave was an opinion based on what I have seen.

If you go to the Classic section, you will find umpteen of these mythical match-ups. Some are prime related such as "Prime Tyson-vs-Prime Frazier, or "Marciano-vs-Ali" some are division such as "SSR (when he was clearly not prime) at 160-vs- Carlos Monzon" etc, and they are some of the best threads on this site, with some seriously considered opinions from real boxing fanatics.

 

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"How would Tyson Fury do against the Lewis that just beat Ruddock" is exactly how I interpreted the thread.

It is undoubtedly true that we cannot accurately judge, but based on what we know about both fighters when each was 22-0, we can form an opinion as to how such a mythical match-up may have gone.

 

That arrogant load of shite above is why there is a beef!!!! And feel free to pm me if you want to take it further!!

The above is littered with snide remarks!!

You're nowt but a doilum who thinks he's a smart arse!!!

Wanker!!

 

Leonda KO1 Tychell.

 

Please, cover your heads everyone, there may be a high speed dummy flying in your direction!