24-Hour Weigh-ins = Illegal fight ?

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  1. dbdbdb

    dbdbdb Active Member Full Member

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    I've been reading around on the topic of making it mandatory for fighters to weigh-in 24 hours pre-fight. And how this system allows a fighter of a naturally heavier weight to dominate those who are naturally smaller. This is mainly accomplished by fighters sweating\draining down to make weight and then rehydrating post weigh-in back to their natural weight.

    I don't know about anyone else but this habit of usurping the rules and regulations of Boxing has undermined the very purpose of having weight classes. Each and every fighter who weighs in for one weight class but comes in at fight-time a full weight class heavier is essentially cheating. According to the rules of boxing.

    WC-35 - Discusses what should be done if {In the referees eyes} the fight is a mismatch.

    Why is it NOT a MISMATCH when some fighters weigh-in as welterweights but actually fight as middleweights???

    Also it would seem that many if not all boxing commissions are aware of this increasing issue of fighters fighting at one weight while weighing in at a lower class. - But apparently are fine with violating their own rules & regulations.

    Here's the thing: If a fighter is running the risk of being dehydrated on fight-night because they are draining themselves to make weight - Then they do not belong in that weight class PERIOD.

    It makes the fight officially unfair and invalid to have two opponents fighting at two different weight classes in the same fight.

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    WBC Weight rules -
    WC-12
    Weigh-in Weight Limits. Each boxer will not exceed the weight of X pounds or X kg. If one of the boxers exceeds such weight, he will be allowed two (2) hours to make the weight by weighing-in as many times as he desires.

    WC-13
    Weigh-in. Non Compliance of Weight Limits.
    a) If the champion exceeds the official weight limit in his last time weighing within the two-(2) hour period has elapsed, he will lose the title on the scale, but the fight will take place for twelve (12) rounds. If the challenger was within the official weight and wins the match, he will be declared the new champion, but if the exchampion wins the match, the title will be declared vacant.
    b) If the challenger exceeds the official weight limit in his last time weighing within the two-(2) hour period has elapsed, the champion will win the bout by default.
    c) If the champion and challenger do not make the weight after weighing within the two (2) hours, the title will be declared vacant.


    WC-35
    Mismatch. The referee may stop a bout, at his discretion, when the contest becomes a mismatch and the inferiority of one of the boxers is such that continuation might endanger his health.


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    http://www.talkingboxing.com/articles/2008/carriedoapril7.html
    Obviously, there are exceptions. On rare occasions fighters of Oscar De la Hoya or Floyd Mayweather's caliber will naturally outgrow many weight classesÂ…first in physical terms then in terms of their ambition for the prestige of collecting many belts. Those cases should not be confused with the cases of numerous boxers who make a mockery of the weigh in system by adding 10-15% of their fighting weight between the weigh in and the actual fight. A prime example is the Arturo Gatti-Joey Gamache fight at Madison Square Garden

    in February 2000. Gatti's official weight for that fight was 140.5 lbs. Gamache's was 140 lbs. On fight night, according to HBO's unofficial scales, however, Gatti weighed 160 lbs. while Gamache weighed 142 lbs.
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    http://www.whaledog.com/2006/10/new-jersey-changes-weigh-in-rules.php
    Following is the official statement my the New Jersey State Athletic Commisison:
    From: Commissioner Hazzard
    Date: October 17, 2006
    Subject: Weigh-Ins for Championship Boxing, Mixed Martial Arts, and Kickboxing Matches

    We do not agree that moving the weigh-in to the day of the event is the proper solution. In theory, we agree with the concept, but the practical reality dictates the opposite conclusion. A weigh -in on the day of the event will only increase the chances of seeing a dehydrated fighter competing during the event. While this approach may be successful in other sports like amateur or collegiate wrestling, these competitors are not subject to repeated blows to the head and are not trained by individuals who derive substantial revenue from a percentage of the fighter's purse.
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    I'll repeat a line from above: If a fighter is running the risk of being dehydrated on fight-night because they are draining themselves to make weight - Then they do not belong in that weight class PERIOD.
     
  2. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    i don't necessarily agree with the system that fighter's drain too much to have a big size advantage during the fight night but this is usually he norm now. unless they put a new rule that will not allow a fighter to weigh-in more than the next weight division, it would not stop fighters to rehydrate as much as they need after the weigh-in.

    we could not always interpret things that if fighter A outweighs fighter B by a full division at fight night, it violates the rule and should be declared a mismatch. it should be written black and white.
     
  3. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    I agree. IMO, they should ATLEAST enforce a "CAP" or Max on fight night. Say no more than 8 lbs. of the class originally weighed in for, because while there are a big bunch of guys that seem to be on a fairly balanced weight +/- scale, there are also a few who come in like 15-20 lbs. over the schedule. (Clottey at 170 lbs. for a WW fight!!!!)
     
  4. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Most states do have a cap for rehydration. Very few enforce theirs though.
     
  5. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Interesting, sir. Thank you. Do you have some info on the "who's who"?

    I heard a guy on ON THE GRIND RADIO (I think) saying he was from Philly, and they still have SAME DAY weigh ins? Not sure of the others. Seems IMO, I heard maybe New Jersey has a cap limit, but I do NOT know how high the cap is set?

    :think
     
  6. dbdbdb

    dbdbdb Active Member Full Member

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    And in that case - How is it a fair fight if Clottey is fighting as a super Middleweight and his opponent is at welterweight +/- 5lbs.

    No way is this within the rules of boxing!!!!!!!
     
  7. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Fights are still being allowed to weigh in too early. 36 hours before a fight is too much. Morning off the fight gives them 12 hours to rehydrate, even 24 hours would be better. They must also be reweighed to ensure they don't put on more than 9 pounds.

    When a fighter starts to add 10 pounds plus then that is getting insane. Fighters naturally put on a few pounds. Even Lewis said that he'd put on a few pounds after weighing in. It is natural when not training, drinking etc

    Gatti putting on 20 pounds is frightening.
     
  8. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    100% agree.....BUT that is an EXTREME example. Most guys seem to be in the same "range" with each other, but with no rule set in stone, it leaves the door open for somebody with "freakish" weight capabilities to capitalize.:yep
     
  9. dbdbdb

    dbdbdb Active Member Full Member

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    It seems 16+/- lbs is the normal weight gain post-weighin for most fighters - But again that is still a higher class range.
     
  10. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think FLA has a 15 lb maximum rehydration.
     
  11. DirtMcGirt

    DirtMcGirt Member Full Member

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    I think a good idea would be fighters can only gain 5% weight after the weigh in.

    140lbs = 7lbs
    160lbs = 8 lbs etc
     
  12. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    24 hour weigh ins were brought in for the safety of the fighters, I guess the weight gain is price that needs to be paid. Stopping boxers re-hydrating by more then a set poundage is just asking for trouble if anything should so wrong.
     
  13. dbdbdb

    dbdbdb Active Member Full Member

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    I understand where you're going - But if a fighter has to drain himself or sweat-down to make weight .... He's not in the correct weight class.

    If a guy walks around at 170lbs then he should be at Middleweight, if he walks around at 150 then at welterweight.

    When your body is normally hydrated - that's your weight class. And if the situation arises where you get dehydrated - your body will regain its normal amount of hydration in recovery. i.e. Your normal walking around weight.
     
  14. paloalto00

    paloalto00 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because technically you still dropped the weight, you can't simply just dehydrate yourself 10 pounds. So it doesn't create a horrible mismatch
     
  15. DirtMcGirt

    DirtMcGirt Member Full Member

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    It true i've just been thinking about that.
    If a fighter had to be re-weighed a couple of hours before the fight he would start rehydrating then. Which would make safety worse.

    I can't think of a way around it really.