3-fight option is cornerstone of the Kessler-Palle fall-out.

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  1. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    that is not an offer. That's just a letter on a website claiming there was an offer. Marley makes **** up all the time. Marley probably wrote that letter and just made **** up. Furthermore, Dawsons promoter said a while ago that Chad wouldn't be fighting anyone at a catcheweight. So why the hell would they offer a fight at a catchweight. And what the hell makes u think Kesslers American promoter has the authority to make fights for Kessler without Palle's involvement?
     
  2. billyk

    billyk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't want to get into a complicated legal discussion, but in the UK at least there is a law that says a contract is illegal if it spans an indefinate period of time. It might be the same all over Europe.

    Music bands have used it to get out of contracts that say they have to produce a set amount of albums but don't say how long they have to make them.
     
  3. gigogreco

    gigogreco Well-Known Member Full Member

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    of course.. everything from kessler and his people is bull****, while everything form dawson is the truth.. go watch that ****ung gay sport, where guys wear tights, while swinging a bat, you ****ing american fruitcake:yep
     
  4. Brickhaus

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    The Rule Against Perpetuities. I'm a lawyer and I know all about it. Still, England is based on common law, Denmark is based on civil law. There's probably some variation on the rule against perpetuities (in the US, in almost every state there's a modified version which basically makes it voidable only if it's actually going to last forever), and I'm no expert on Danish law, but I'd guess that they didn't codify an antiquated English common law rule into their statutes.

    Anyway, that's just the way options work. Maybe the options expire eventually, but I SERIOUSLY doubt they expire before the end of his contract - otherwise, there would be no reason to have the options in the contract at all if they just give him a right he already has.
     
  5. Tom_Tocca

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    What if:

    ...Palle dies and the contract has him (and not his company) as the owner of those options? Can he bequest them to anybody or would those be null and void?
     
  6. Brickhaus

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    I don't know enough about Danish law to give an answer to that question, but there's about a 99.999999% chance that the options are held by the promotional company, not be Palle individually.
     
  7. billyk

    billyk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Would it not just be that the contract is for '3 fights or until feb 2010, whichever happens first' or is it not that simple?

    If you know about these things, how would it work if a bigger promotions company (e.g. Sauderland,) wanted to get Kessler in with one of their fighters (e.g. Abraham). Would Palle be able to scupper something like that even though he couldn't offer as good a deal.........I mean how come Kesslers fought Calzaghe in Wales and Mundine in Australia before.

    (Thinking more about the bands who have got out of contracts before, their original record company usually brings out loads of 'best of' and 'remix' albums to fill their quota, I dont suppose there is an equivalent in sport).
     
  8. BatTheMan

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    No. It's a story about an offer being made. And of course Palle had a hand in it. marley works for him so the offer was definetely approved.

    The fact that Dawsons manager says that they will not fight at a catchweight goes nicely hand in hand with the fact that Kesslers offer being turned down. Despite dawson calling out the smaller man I might add...
     
  9. BatTheMan

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    Thats correct. It's Palles company 'International entertainment' (or something like that) that owns the contract.
     
  10. BatTheMan

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    Indeed. The options have an expirationdate attached according to danish lionheartboxing. They cite the chairman of danish elite sportsmen (some kind of union) for saying that the contract has ca stipulated timeframe for use of the options. So according to Kessler only one option remains.
     
  11. BatTheMan

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    It might indeed be AA who's Kessler's next big fight. Since Kessler is unable to lure any of the yank stars in the ring with him and AA is facing similar problems since Arum wont let Pavlik fight him. AA wont stay at 160 much longer and Kessler is a fairly big name in germany.

    Intriguing matchup.
     
  12. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    Fighters and their representatives make claims of offers all the time. You nor I knows whether Kessler's people made a realistic offer to Dawson.

    Keep in mind that HBO wanted Dawson/Kessler, and Palle himself is on the record as saying that Dawson is a weight-drained cruiser. That, in and of itself, may be the dumbest comment made by a promoter in the past six months.

    If Palle had taken Dawson seriously, he would have said something about a catchweight at that time. But he didn't. Instead, he just blew the whole idea off entirely.

    Which isn't to say Dawson would or should fight Kessler at a catchweight. Chad is doing very well at 175 and has had a better career than Kessler, so Mikkel should come to him if he wants a piece.
     
  13. Lampley

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    I'd be happy with Kessler/Abraham, but I doubt it will happen soon. No American television network will be overjoyed at the idea (given the bomb that Calzaghe/Kessler proved to be), so the financial support will be somewhat limited.

    And your boy Kessler isn't exactly going out of his way to get big fights. Palle shot down Dawson -- despite HBO's interest -- out of hand and also idiotically blew up the Miranda fight. He needs to get his own house in order before he calls out anyone for avoiding him.
     
  14. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Ok smartass. Please explain to me how team Kessler made an offer to Dawson when Palle publically stated that he wasn't interested in matching Kessler with Dawson?
     
  15. Tom_Tocca

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    And team Abraham's matchmaker won't be that stupid to put him in the ring with the no.1 SMW immidiately after stepping up from 160...