3 fights that should have happened.... who wins them ?

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  1. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Alexis Arguello v Salvador Sanchez (135)

    Sugar Ray Leonard v Aaron Pryor (147)

    Erik Morales v Naseem Hamed (126)



    My picks are Arguello, Leonard & Morales.

    Im very confident in picking Morales & Leonard but not so much Arguello, I only went with him because of the size factor.

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  2. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Arguello vs Sanchez would be my favorite of the bunch. I would lean towards arguello winning a solid UD with points in the fight where both guys get rocked and maybe even frustrated at trying to figure the other out. Sanchez would certainly have his moments and even a shot at a win, but I would lean towards arguello in a close win.

    Pryor vs leonard would have been a welcome fight. I believe Pryors workrate would be to much for Sugar and would propell him to a clear win so long as the judges from SRL-Hearns II are not working this fight.

    Morales vs Hamed...Morales completes the boxing lesson that Barrera gave Hamed and takes it a step farther KO'ing the pompus prince in 9
     
  3. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Thats a mighty bold statement.

    I rate Pryor highly but look at the trouble a past prime Arguello gave him in both fights, especially the 1st fight.

    Leonard is bigger, faster, stronger, more adaptable & a better boxer than Alexis.... I see Ray totally outboxing Pryor from distance, taking advantage of Aaron`s reckless defence & busting him up for possibly a 14th or 15th rd TKO or clear UD victory.

    Of course a fighter of Pryor`s quality is going to have great moments but that will only raise Leonard`s game to a higher level, Ray is too versatile to lose to Pryor IMO.
     
  4. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Agreed with all three.

    Pryor wouldn't have done well at 147, IMO. Leonard beats him handily. Hamed would be a live dog because of his power and Morales's tendency to trade, but I still go with Morales.

    We have little idea how Sanchez would do at lightweight. I think a Sanchez-Pedroza bout is a better fantasy matchup.
     
  5. JohnThomas1

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    I have no doubt at all Leonard beats Pryor

    I am confident Arguello beats Sanchez

    Not sure of the other
     
  6. Flea Man

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    Arguello PTS.

    I think Pryor was determined enough in his prime to make a decent transition up to 147....but Leonard would've probably beaten him on PTS.

    If Morales had moved up after his win over Barrera at 122 then Naz might've been better primed to win....but Naz was losing interest by then and I think Morales might've won a decision. prime for prime Naz stops Morales (at FW anyways) Naz was greener at 122 but was still very good and powerful....I think Morales might win a decision there.
     
  7. jc

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    Arguello UD15 Sanchez, I think itd be pretty close going on the cards by the 10th but AA pulls away in the championship rounds.

    Ray Leonard UD15 Pryor, Ray would get his feet moving in this one, jabbing, moving, firing combos and skipping away. Pryor would have his moments but ulitmately it would result in a points defeat.

    Morales UD12 Naz, Morales was far too complete a boxer for Naz, Morales' quick combination punching would give the un orthodox defence of Hamed hell. It would be competitive, but Erik wins it.
     
  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Arguello by dec
    Leonard by U dec
    Morales by Udec
     
  9. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Do you reckon Sanchez-Arguello would have been better at 126 or 130 instead of lightweight??

    I would pick Sanchez to edge Arguello at feather and for it to be basically a toss up at 130 ...Any higher there is no real evidence to suggest that Alexis does not win quite clearly because Sanchez never fought anywhere near there whereas Arguello has a decent reign at 135.

    Leonard deals with Aaron quite easily in the end...Though I do picture some good exchanges in the early rounds with both having their moments, The Hawks more fleeting than anything.

    Morales vs Naz would be an excellent bout...But I dont see Morales dropping the ball with the his level of ring intelligence and durability...Naz quickly resorts to one at a time pot shotting in the hope of ending the fight with one punch. Either he further retreats into a shell and loses on points or tries desperately to wrestle the fight away and ends up getting stopped.
     
  10. DINAMITA

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    Arguello comfortably defeats Sanchez at 135 - at 126 it's a different matter.

    Leonard beats Pryor - but I think Pryor makes it more difficult than most people, including Leonard, would anticipate.

    Morales outboxes and outbattles Hamed to a convincing UD.

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  11. JohnThomas1

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    Not at all. By the "should have happened" the fight could only have been for Arguello's 135 crown, and was indeed talked about by Sanchez as a goal before his untimely death. It could not have possibly happened (well, it didn't) at these other weights but was a definite chance at 135.
     
  12. teeto

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    I also will pick Arguello, but it's more because of the weight this is fought at to be honest. That strength he posessed at that weight was great, and yes at 126 it would be a different story imo also, but we must concede that wasnt the best or most experienced Arguello either. When all is said and done Sanchez i have greater, if his story would have went on longer i feel that gap in greatness would be magnified. Sanchez can try in and out movement with the punches in bunches but i feel the stronger lightweight version of Arguello would eventually get the bout on his terms and do the better of it to get the dec. close though, as i feel he doesnt get most of the early rounds.

    I have to pick Leonard at 147.

    There are stylistic flaws in each in the 126 bout. Morales defence was never great, Hamed hits like a mule. But imo the telling flaw would be in Naz's make-up, as the fight goes on, i dont think Hamed's boxing ability and style is enough to slow the pace and tempo that Erik would know he's better off setting and that he can. There's always that chance that Hamed produces that form where he dodges and lands, and if Morales gets pissed off and keeps coming he walks into shots. But Morales' chin was something else, and i think he could land a few counter rights of his own before turning on the heat and then its all Erik.
     
  13. ChrisPontius

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    I don't like Pryor's chances vs Leonard. Too big, too athletic, too fast and something many people forget, incredibly powerful at 147. Would be a great fight though, because of the styles and because Aaron always begrudged Leonard for making $40.000 in his pro debut while Pryor made $100 or something.
     
  14. WhataRock

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    I think Salvador would have traveled up very well...how well we will never know.

    Arguello was still a superfeather titlist towards the end of 1980, about the time when Sanchez was having his 3rd or so defense I believe.

    It could of happened then but far less likely then 18 months later when Sanchez was far more established, I see your point about that. Just feel its a bit harsh on Sanchez speculating how he would have went two divisions up at the time, really is only one sound conclusion to come to.
     
  15. JohnThomas1

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    He's also far better technically than Pryor as well as Pryor being no huge hitter (contrary to what some think) at 140 let alone 147.