30 for 30 NO MAS

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  1. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Has anyone seen this, and thoughts if they have? I watched this last night and thought it was very good. It really does take you back to 1980 and the infamous 'no mas' fight. Makes you remember how big boxing still was back then, and what Duran meant to a nation. Also what each fighter represented to the other and what their rivalry meant as a whole.
    It's good to see Leonard and Duran doing well and healthy.

    One thing started to annoy me though, the more I watched it. And that is that the documentary seems quite happy to paint Leonard as a victim of No Mas. Why? I don't recall in Leonard's biography (The Big Fight) or in Four Kings anything about Leonard feeling as though something was taken away from him in that fight.
    At the time, he was elated that he had won, and seemed to revel in the fact that Duran quit.
    So why now?
    Why this sudden turnaround? What did he really expect of Duran all these years later?
    Why fly all the way to Panama, corner Duran and put him on the spot? (which is essentially what happened in the documentary)

    I felt sorry for Duran, who seems to be enjoying life with a carefree attitude. He's standing there face to face with Ray, not sure what to say, seeming bemused by the whole thing.

    The part that really annoyed me though was where Ray says he forgives Duran and is willing to help Duran with his pain, even though he didn't get the answers out of Duran he was looking for. WTF? :lol:

    Was Ray just being a drama queen?

    I'm not posting this to bash Leonard, far from it. I hold him in extremely high regard, but one has to wonder what the real point of the documentary was. I don't think No Mas bothers Duran anymore. At the time hell yes, but now? And what answers did Ray really expect?

    Still, great documentary all the same.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-BlK3B4Ykc
     
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  2. FIN

    FIN Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thought the same thing,in his book he seems proud he made Duran quit,and now in the documentary he's annoyed his win was tainted and it still bothers him,I think the producers just needed a new angle to make it interesting..
     
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  3. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ray timed the rematch perfectly, he knew full well Duran wouldn't be in top condition like in their first bout.
     
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  4. Germanicus

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    Remembering how big these bouts were. These bouts were talked about on the network national news. The outcomes were on page 1 of the newspapers. Now a Heavyweight title fight, barely gets a blurb in the sports section. Oh...And Christie Brinkley, 34 years later still looks great.
     
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  5. Meazy-E

    Meazy-E Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I never understood why Leonard acted proud that he got the rematch so soon that Duran would not. Be at his best. Every time he interview he talked about it as if it was a brilliant plan.

    Yes, it was smart, but to me it hurts Leonard, if you are competing at the top level you should eat to beat the guy who just beat you while he is in top form.
     
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  6. KO KIDD

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    I didnt like the documentary because it didnt tell us why he really quit

    everyone knows the story of No Mas and this documentary shed no new light on the situation

    Read Hands of Stone by Christian Guidace and it was very good and examined the incident with several viewpoints and several quotes from interviews and didnt draw its own conclusion but provided theories

    when I saw the commercial for the doc I thought oh here we go they meet face to face must be a confession...I was let down

    You can tell it bothers Duran and he probably isnt used to anyone in Panama asking hims so directly about it. People probably bring it up or random punks probably bust his balls about it but he seems set in his ways to not really talk about it

    Leonard came across as pathetic. He won and cant live with the fact that he won comes across as a sore winner. Pretty sad stuff

    Outside the fact that no answer is given there is nice footage
     
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  7. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Also Leonards people werent alone in wanting the rematch so soon

    Papa Eleta and his people were afraid Duran would eat drink and party his way out of future pay days. They knew a rematch was huge and they saw Duran partying away so they took the rematch before he imploded to guarantee their own millions
     
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  8. rossco666

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    Duran wasn't as fit or motivated as he was in the first fight. You could see he wasn't as sharp. After weeks of partying and a stressful training camp he just wasn't the same. On the other hand Leonard was mentally and physically better prepared than the first fight and had a much better game plan.
    I think Duran just knew he didn't have it in him to win that night and didn't like being mocked so he quit. Simple.
    Leonard was as motivated in the second fight as Duran was in the first fight and he knew it wasn't the same Duran he was facing. I don't defend the no mas but no way was Duran winning that fight if he didn't quit.
     
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  10. StGeorge

    StGeorge Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cheers for the link.
     
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  11. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I still need to read Duran's biography (I do have it, luckily) and it will be interesting to read his version of events. I have my own thoughts on the matter*, but ultimately whatever the real reasons, it is what it is. The incident happened 34 years ago.
    Why Leonard feels the need to make a big deal of it now is anyone's guess.

    * My own thoughts are that Duran couldn't handle the clowning, because his entire makeup as a fighter was built around machismo. Nobody had ever dared try make a fool of Duran and I don't think he knew how to deal with it and had a temporary meltdown.
    That Leonard was having more success against him anyway didn't help matters at all either.
     
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  12. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I watched it just yesterday

    Most notable were comments by Randy Gordon, Brinkley, who watched him stuff himself

    do u think using the diuretics affected him any?
     
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  13. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I also thought it was foolish for Leonard to travel all the way to Panama
     
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  14. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I really can't say. I think he looked quite good in the fight actually, and was certainly still competitive with Leonard. He was behind on the cards, but not by much.

    I would imagine that any time a fighter has to loose a lot of weight in a hurry, then it's bound to affect his performance to some degree.
     
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  15. Waynegrade

    Waynegrade Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I though it was foolish for Norris to travel to the canvas,consistently and stay there ;) Where do you rank Mullings amongst the ATG`s ?? We are all curious because he DESTROYED your boy Terri ...
     
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