30 yrs ago this May, Cooney waxed Norton at MSG. WICKED!

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  1. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    It was like Norton was hit by a moving vehicle and lying on the sidewalk, he was so hurt. Like a bus hit him.
     
  2. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Does the end justify the means? Gerry has been able to live off the nature of his lucrative challenge ever since, something far less likely had he not carried the mystique of being an undefeated contender.

    I do think a ten round rematch with Eddie Lopez would have been sensible for extending him. A return with a revitalized Young could also have gone his way if he'd applied consistent body punching to score points. However. he had captured the public imagination as a ruthless destroyer with the blowouts of Lyle and Norton, so anything compromising his image as an irresistible force might have risked diluting his astronomical payday for Holmes.
     
  3. Sickening KO. A little sad if you're a fan of Norton.

    People mention the hooks, i believe the upper cuts of those shots were just as surprising. All respect to Cooney.
     
  4. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cooney should have gone for men like Berbick or Tillis,and challenged for the WBA title,and provided he won,then had a fight with Holmes for the unified crown. I still think he'd have lost to Holmes,but would have put up a more competitive fight.
     
  5. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Cooney had a ton of potential. He was a power puncher with an exciting style in an otherwise pretty boring Division at the time. Cooney should have went after Weaver next then got a Holmes fight in 1983. He simply didn't fight enough contenders on the way up to be developed he was not ready for Holmes in June of 1982 but held his own for 10 rounds before he got tired.
     
  6. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You know what kills me, I also reviewed Cooney's KO over Lyle as well, and I remember the TV announcer saying Lyle looked soft in the girth at age 38 and a mere 211 pounds.... WTF? Lyle was like 219 for Ali earlier in '75.... BUT! I will say Lyle didn't looked as toned at 211 in 1980 against Cooney like he was with Ali back in '75....

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  7. ThinBlack

    ThinBlack Boxing Addict banned

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    I could see him stopping Berbick potentially, Tillis could give Cooney tons of problems, provided he doesn't get caught.
     
  8. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The other big issue at the time was that Lyle was coming in off a real bad early ko loss to Lynn Ball. And Ball was a small guy not known as a hitter and barely on the radar screen & he dusted Lyle. In truth, the Foreman fight ruined Ronnie Lyle and every fight after George was a tough one--even guys like Ledoux and Ward. That 39 year old version of Lyle wasn't losing just to an up and comer like Cooney. He would've lost to Dokes and Page and others also.
     
  9. MRBILL

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    I saw Dokes ice Ball on the undercard of "Benitez-Duran" in 1982...... Ball looked like a clustered **** against a peaking Dokes....

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  10. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That was the thing with a young Dokes. He sure looked good in that one. Or Page for that matter. Either could look like a brilliant up and comer for about 1 fight when they were 100%. Each was usually at about 80% is/was the problem.

    Dokes and his rematch with Occasio and Gardner and Ball looked really good. A force to be reckoned with. But then you had that pretty much a pedestrian effort against Young. A less than pedestrian effort in that first Occasio fight. or that Chaplin fight even. And the more weight Dokes put on, the further he got away from 100%. That 205 guy was something and he had that terrific amateur background. Can you imagine a guy with that pedigree emerging now?

    Cooney didn't blow hot or cold but was just fighting flawed guys with 1 foot in the grave after his bout with Denis. But all those heavies back then just had major question marks. The advantage Cooney had over those guys was in matchmaking. He was strictly facing made to order types.
     
  11. MRBILL

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    Cooney was mismanaged in terms of learning his craft in the ring, but he was nicely managed on how to sucker the general public into backing him and paying him very well to fight...... Considering Cooney's technical flaws as a fighter, he still had drawing power in the end.....

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  12. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm still not sold on Jones and Rappaport. Never was. I think they turned a $250 million property into a $50 million one. Although hardly a favorite person, I do think Don King would have been a much much better alternative for Cooney. Just like say, David Tua.

    There are certain guys that can benefit a ton from that management & I think Gerry was one of them. Man, look at the great job King did later on with John Ruiz. Can you imagine a similar job with Gentleman Gerry?
     
  13. MRBILL

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    A little of both..... Norton was worn by the 1980s and he was more so awkward then really good....

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  14. MRBILL

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    Yes, but Ruiz seemed willing to fight and be active; Cooney was often hurt in camp and postponing fights until he felt ready.... Big difference...

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  15. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Bill, I might put in my Cooney-Holmes DVD tonight and watch it while I sip on some Vodka. I love watching this fight. :good