33+ year old fighters in the lower weight classes and Loma's time left

Look at the thread title, and look at what age Salido was when he kicked Loma's ass.

A shot, battle worn, old Salido beat Loma
A prime, peak Berchelt would be too risky for Loma and Arum to consider him as an opponent.

 

I disagree. Jason Sosa, while admittedly not as skilled as Berchelt, is an aggressive pressure fighter. Nicholas Walters was also a stalker type behind that long, range finding jab.

While neither Sosa nor Walters are a precise match by any means, they come reasonably close to approximating the problems Berchelt presents. On the other hand, the rock 'em- sock 'em types Berchelt has been fighting of late bear absolutely no resemblance to Lomachenko.

 

In what parallel universe does eking out a highly competitive split decision constitute "kicking Loma's ass?"

At no point in that fight was Lomachenko in any danger, nor did he absorb any significant punishment whatsoever. As a matter of fact, Salido--not the kid in his second professional fight--was the one hanging on for deal life after getting rocked in the twelfth round.

Do you want to who know did get his ass kicked, however? That would be your boy Miggy...when he got his sh*t pushed in by the immortal Luis Flores.

And don't even think about making excuses for that loss, either, since you never afford Lomachenko any latitude for losing a controversial split decision to an overweight, deliberately fouling veteran infinitely more accomplished than Luis Flores.

 

Ooh, you take your fandom serious...

I like Lomachenko, but no denying he got a nice "Welcome to the pros" welcoming LOL.

Salido was old AF and way past his best, but the "kid" who was 25 at the time had probably never seen Mexican style coupled with veteran style. Not sure what Arum was thinking putting him in with Salido given his reputation of spoiling plans.

The TWO fights I wanted Lomachenko to take he did not. He definitely swerved Miguel Berchelt. I don't think Arum wanted to make the same mistake. He also swerved the rematch with Salido. See the pattern? The other huge disappointment was Lomachenko not fighting Mikey Garcia. Here unlike the Berchelt fight where I blame Loma, I will blame both Mikey and Loma.. Those were possibly the two most important fights in his career and they were not made.

I never make excuses when fighters lose. Bitches do that. I didn't make them when Kovalev lost, when GGG lost, when Canelo lost to Mayweather etc...

Don't make excuses why Lomachenko declined to answer the multiple times Berchelt called him out.

 

I thought Erik Morales deserved the nod against Maidana at 35. Daniel Zaragoza held on and nearly beat Morales when he was 39. Donnie Nietes beat Ioka at 36. Marquez and Floyd were both doping to stay elite into their late thirties. If Loma gets a hold of Hopkins fountain of youth, then he can stay relevant too.

Joe "old bones" Brown declined after 35 when he ran into Carlos Ortiz. Carlos Ortiz made it to 35 before he ran into Ken Buchanan. Antonio Cervantes was doing fine until he turned 35 and Aaron Pryor flattened him. JCC was able to beat everyone but De La Hoya and Whitaker until he turned 36. Duran kept fresh until 38, long enough to beat Barkley. Benny Leonard was the man until he ran into McLarnin when he was 36 and retired.

 

Height isn't weight. I'd bet Pac's wrists were considerably thicker than Lomachenko's.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/656951-bigger-skeleton-mass-benefits-manny-pacquiao

 

Loma smoked him. HBO and everyone ringside was right, 8-4 type fight.

Salido got schooled by a guy he outweighed by 20lbs in his first pro fight. Even 20 shots to the balls couldnt make it competitive really. Salido just swinging at air.

Berchelt is better than salido ever was....and he's up next. I do believe he will outright quit inside of 8 rds.

 

You've been promulgating this "Loma ducked Berchelt" nonsense for so long I think you're actually starting to believe it. Calling out a fighter doesn't mean sh*t, and we both know (or should know) it. You are not so naive as to take that stuff as gospel, are you??

While he was at 130, Lomachenko wanted a fight with Tank, who most considered much more of a dangerous threat than Berchelt. When that fell through, he sought an even bigger challenge-- Mikey at 135lbs.

The notion that Lomachenko "swerved" Salido is even more preposterous. Salido never had any intention of re-matching Loma and priced himself out accordingly. Get serious, man.

Again, pump the brakes on the Berchelt boogieman stuff. The kid is a nice fighter, but he isn't anything special nor has he done anything to date (unless you consider beating Vargas, and eating a good bit of leather in the process) to suggest he'd beat Lomachenko. Unless of course you want to rely solely on transparently jingoistic "Mexican style" claptrap.

Luckily, Loma will be back down to 130lbs after he beats Lopez (another more imposing challenge). Then we'll see how much Berchelt wants some.

 

My fingers are thicker now than when I weighed 170 lbs. Everything gets bigger when you put on weight, everything but one. My ankles have definitely gotten thicker carrying the weight of two men. Shouldn't Manny's wrist size have increased as he went through weight classes? If you look at the rest of his body, it's little chicken bones when he's a fly but he's filled out considerably at welter.

 

Loma got beaten by an older craftier veteran whom he'd underestimated. He holds wins over 3 fighters featured in the top ten p4p list and would have been in those lists himself if he'd had better management. At the very least Salido was the Arturo Gatti of this age and deserves respect on that count. He was a warrior who stepped up to challenges and sought them out more than anyone not named Mayweather, Canelo, Pacquiao, Donaire, or Cotto. I don't know for a fact that Miguel Berchelt is better than Salido ever was. He's better than old Salido was, but Juanma Lopez Salido, peak Salido, was a good Salido.

 

Salido popped Lomachenkos cherry. If Loma wanted to clear his name he would have paid Salido what he wanted. He gave Russell a 40% split.

If he couldn't get the fight with Salido, then fight his Daddy in Berchelt who held a version of the SFW title like Lomachenko did. It just didn't make any sense as to why he swerved him unless they didn't want that Mexican pressure style. Made no sense at all. I personally think that Arum doesn't want to risk Loma again. Makes sense since he gets marketed as this matrix type guy who can't be beat, when reality proved otherwise.

 

Federer is 38, Tom Brady is in his 40s, Pac is in his 40s, Lionel Messi is Lomas age..

Loma has lots of mileage left yet. He picks up injury yes but he generally takes a fairly small amount of punch damage in fights ..

Keep the faith though haters, it will happen one day & then u can tell everyone how he was prime & exposed lol

 

In my opinion, boxers who are ATG (e.g Pacquiao, Mayweather) usually have one thing in common, they have no difficulty on keeping their weight. Inability to keep weight to fight in the desired weight class and condition is the problem that older boxers usually face. Of course, aging process also affect other qualities like speed, endurance, agility, stamina, etc. However, if someone can keep their body fit and stay away from the lifestyle that potentially shorten their career, he can fight the age.

Problem with Loma is that he is currently fighting in the class where the biggest struggle he faces are mostly physical aspect related, such as difference in power, height and range. However, he doesn't have any difficulty to make the weight, or struggle with his diet that can affect his performance.

I think we can see the same level of current Loma for the next 3 years. And that would be another six fights left assuming he would fight twice a year and stay away from major injuries. We already know that the next one would be against Lopez. Still plenty of spots to be filled in with big names like Haney and Davis.

 

Manny has a denser skeleton than his height would suggest which allowed him to climb the weights more effectively.

 

Its "weight class" you choose how to add your weight & pay for it by losing inches in range. The just-started PED revolution will allow boxers to move up to any division they want & compete. PEDs to move-down are still primitive, mainly because of the lack of interest in mainstream sports to develop such PEDs, which led to very few weight-loss products that can keep performance.

Adding Bone density is big disadvantage in boxing P4P, only useful in Heavyweight due to the lack of weight restrictions, its necessary to avoid exhausting the muscles in everyday life activities...unless boxers accept a strictly boxing lifestyle, longer hours of sleep inside inside chambers that can feed the extra muscle mass, bones are very difficult to outdo, mainly because of the unmatched low density & self repair, the lightest high strength alloy inserts will turn any boxer into a heavyweight with a horrible reach advantage.

In theory Vasyl will perform his best at 105lbs, but its impossible for him to keep his level of performance mainly because his body is conditioned at the current Mucsle:Bone ratio, unless the drop of weight involves a proportionate bone-loss, then 1 year of PED rejuvenation. At 105 Vasyl can still fight into his 60s, assuming PED keep improving.

This is not saying that most S&C guys don't know this fact, but the financial incentive is in moving boxers into the hot divisions, if a troll-promoter can PED 90 Flyweights into Cruiser-weight...those 90 will serve as ranked caged-food for the Flyweight moving up 12 weight-classes, he can easily have a convincing 5'3" Blue headed Body-builder legend KTFO Sergey Kovalev (now a boxing legend because he became a spiritually rejuvenated Born Again Christian & re-captured the title at 60) for the WBA Regular Crusierweight title.

No fans want to see Bluehead waste his time on 77-3 (44) washed-up Usyk loser, Usyk will sit on the sidelines...watch the fans discuss the thickness of Bluehead wrists.