36 years ago: Clash For The Crown, Michael Gerard "Kid Dynamite" Tyson vs. Tyrell T "Big Burt" Biggs

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  1. IntentionalButt

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    "For the first time, a sense of doubt" .

    The narrative that has coalesced in the years since has been sort of reductively flattened to "Mike had that
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    aura until Buster Douglas shattered it" - but, well, not quite. Some minor cracks and fissures were showing as early as '86 (when both Quick Tillis and Blood Green did the previously unthinkable and survived a full ten rounds with the athletic-freak-cum-protégé of the late great Cus D'Amato).

    To be sure, the salad days were not over. The young champ still had the Holmes, Tubbs, Spinks, Bruno and Williams conquests ahead of him before it all crashed down around him in what many have called the "biggest upset in sports history". Here though, a full two years and change (28 months to be precise) before Tokyo, pundits were already daring on record to pick against the Pigeon Whisperer.

    Experts were not wrong to believe that a prime Tyson was in fact a beatable mortal - but where they erred was pinning their hopes and staking their reputations on Biggs. Even with being proven wrong in hindsight, though, it wasn't altogether stupid of them contemporaneously to feel the undefeated super heavyweight could be the one.

    Biggs had as impressive an amateur run as you could ask for. Two defeats at the hands of Teófilo Stevenson in USA vs. Cuba meets - okay, so what? No black mark there, as most consider Stevenson the amateur GOAT or at least in that conversation. Nobody else beat him twice, and very few beat him whatsoever in a stellar campaign through international tourneys in the first half of the decade. Aside from Stevenson, he dominated every multiple fight series involving him - including going 3-0 versus future WBO titlist Francesco Damiani, 3-1 against the underrated & unsung Craig Payne (who defeated both Mike Tyson and Teófilo Stevenson in the amateurs!!!). The feather in his cap? Pitching a five card shutout against one Lennox Claudius Lewis to deny the Jamaican-Canadian-Brit a super heavyweight Olympic medal en route to capturing gold himself in 1984. :clapclap:

    Now, while we're on the subject of his amateur days - a quick word on his name(s). That his last is indeed Biggs is about the only certain thing. In a gun to my head situation, I couldn't commit to knowing definitively what his first or middle is. Here's the Cliff's Notes version: early in his amateur career, he was billed as "Big Burt Biggs". At some point he changed to Tyrell. In public records he is listed as "Tyrell T. Biggs" - all of which raises several possibilities. A) his first name at birth was Burt and he adopted Tyrell instead as either a nickname or homage to a relative, maybe a cousin or an uncle or grandfather by that name. B) the same, but vice-versa...born as Tyrell but went by Burt for a time to honor somebody or as a nickname and then changed his mind. C) Could the middle initial itself, "T", be for Tyrell? That would support theory A, that he was born Burt Tyrell Biggs. :nusenuse: My sleuthing has been inconclusive on either front.

    Anyway, a rose by any other...

    As we well know, of course, history did not come any closer to acquitting those who tipped Biggs to slay the immortal than a jury of his peers came to acquitting Tyson in '92. :sisi1

    The fight, from a Tyrell/Burt/whoever fan's perspective, was a disaster. It wasn't that he fought badly. He did a lot of things right, in fact. He did most of what you want a 6'4½" (or six-foot-five; his exact height like his exact name is a murky issue) fighter to do. Stayed tall, moved, jabbed, kept his arms on a dumbwaiter (up and down to block head shots or cover the body) and clinched to stem any maulings.

    It just wasn't nearly enough. Iron Mike in the mid to late nineteen eighties may not have been the superhuman being that we whispered about on school playgrounds across the country; he had flaws, and his performances were not necessarily at a consistently peak level and ran on a spectrum with some nights at the office better than others...but even stripping away the illusory trappings of legend and mythmaking, he was still a goddamned savage and h2h beast that few heavyweights in any era can feel confident about surviving, let alone thwarting. A once in a generation physical specimen augmented by all time great coaching (to start off, and then a more than adequate replacement to carry on that foundational work in Kevin Rooney).

    Biggsy, for all his dimensional advantages and amateur pedigree, didn't stand a chance. His defense, chin, and stamina were all honestly fine, no worse than average for a HW - but fine ain't fine in this situation. If you're going into this particular cage armed with anything short of exceptional marks in all of those categories, you stand at great risk of being devoured.

    Mike ate.

    ps - interesting that Harold Lederman stood alone in giving Biggs the opener. All three official judges had a shutout for Tyson as of the stoppage. In fairness, the first was somewhat close - relative to all of the remainder, anyway.

    pps - interesting also to hear Barry Tompkins mention that some had observed Tyson's habit of bobbing 4x before coming up and firing. I'm surprised more opponents' camps didn't clock that and try exploiting it with a whack-a-mole counter as part of their strategy...or maybe they did, and I just don't recall on account of having been a little kid.
     
  2. IntentionalButt

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    Also, boxing history trivia nugget: this was the last heavyweight title contest scheduled for a 15 round limit (although it only lasted half that).
     
  3. Oddone

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    For the first two minutes of round one Biggs set the partial blueprint. Good jab from multiple angles, with fleet of foot movement.

    I say "partial blueprint" because Biggs lacked a right hand that could deter Tyson and keep him honest along with the heart needed to overcome Mikes physical. Biggs got hit towards the end of round one with a left and shelled up throwing his plans out the window.

    For the first two minutes he looked good in there though which is more than most could say against Mike.
     
  4. IntentionalButt

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    Yep, he showed that a guy of about that size with a decent jab and fair movement could have success...but of course we know in retrospect that Buster Douglas - for all that he seemed far more a hapless underdog than Biggs in those days - in point of fact possessed the superior heart, ruggedness, and firepower.
     
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  5. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    I hated the comments. I just didnt like them. "Biggs moving to his right. That's wrong because he will meet Tyson's left hook" (sure, dude, it is way better to go to his left and meet Tyson's right hand instead!!. Stupid comments.)

    But I love the fight, the atmosphere and the top quality post fight interviewS. HBO sold the whole pack, not only the fight. Top quality product. They dont do it like that anymore.

    I found Larry Holmes a very likeable guy, btw. And he's 100% right when he called Tyson a dirty fighter, oh boy, he did fight dirty that night. Those elbows..... yikes!!

    PS: no wonder why Tyson is a pop culture icon. That way of fighting.... huge charisma.
     
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  6. IntentionalButt

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    He no doubt had explosive fight ending power in both hands, but the left was his nuke.

    To paraphrase Mirko Cro-Cop, "right cross hospital; left hook cemetery".
     
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  7. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Well, I think we dont agree here. As long as the fighter is not ambidextrous (and Tyson was not, afaik), no matter how good it is his bad hand, his good hand is better.

    Even if people think (correctly) that Tyson's left hand was terrifying, his right hand was scarier.

    I like Mirko's quote, but I would change it like this for any orthodox fighter (not only Tyson, no exceptions here imho) "left hook hospital; right cross cemetery".

    PS. It would be a good theme for a thread. Which Tyson's hand is "hospital" and which one is "cemetery".
     
  8. IntentionalButt

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    Yeah, could be a nice robust debate. :thumbsup:

    But we can probably all concede that perhaps the dumbest thing you could do facing a prime Mike Tyson, even more than circling into his cross or hook - is putting yourself in range for his short compact uppercut. :deal:
     
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  9. chacal

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    I was about to exchange "cross" for "upper" in the phrase, but I didnt do it because I didnt want to change it too much,

    I couldnt agree more.
     
  10. AngryBirds

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    Douglas earns two of those awards then.

    Not only did he make a rookie mistake by walking right into Tysons uppercut, which had enough power to put Douglas down despite how much weaker Mike had become by round 8, but made another rookie mistake by throwing an uppercut at mid range against Holyfield, who of course also sparked him in return lol.

    I guess Douglas found out the hard way that you can't be making such rookie mistakes at the elite level and not expect to get floored by the other guy.
     
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  11. lobk

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    Biggs dated my cousin for awhile. Use to come over my place to watch PPV. Dude was very mellow. I'm surprise he didn't punch me one night when I asked him what's it feel like when your just known for getting KOed by Tyson.
     
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  12. Dynamicpuncher

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    The warning signs vs David Bey prior to Tyson fight were there in regards to Biggs mixing it up too much instead of using his boxing skills.

    Biggs actually won the 1st round vs Tyson and fought an intelligent round, but after that he seemed to get lured into standing more flat footed as he took a pounding from then on.

    I always thought Biggs was talented though and had a ton of heart his fights vs Bey, Sims, certainly show that as he had to overcome alot of adversity to win those fights.
     
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  13. IntentionalButt

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    Oh cool, I was hoping to hear from someone that agreed with Lederman about the first.

    I can see both arguments. Biggs was evasive for long stretches and touched Mike with the jab a fair amount...but the few hooks that got a piece of him looked effective and hurtful enough to already start disrupting his rhythm.
     
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  14. Mark Anthony

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    The first round is far down loading data, if every round went like that it wouldn`t have been much of a fight, you adapt and it turns into a real fight, landing a few jabs and skipping round the ring doesn`t win you a round.
     
  15. Dynamicpuncher

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    Biggs won the first round but he often got lured into exchanging punches too much and that was always his problem.....as soon as Tyson hit him he started to fight flat footed and then it was all downhill from there. Biggs could get away with that against lesser opposition like Bey who he barely scrapped by but obviously a prime Tyson is a totally different animal.