38 years ago today: "Marvelous" Marvin Nathaniel Hagler vs. John Paul "The Beast" Mugabi

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Thing about JPM is: of the many boxers to have been christened "The Beast" - his claim is perhaps the most legit. That is what he was.

    Thing about MNH, however, is that he also had within him a beastly side par excellence - along with more wrinkles to his game (ie could brawl or box, moving forward or backward, leading or countering, working in volume or econimically for percentages - and was effectively ambidextrous to boot) than a basketful of Shar-Pei puppies, making him truly "Marvelous". :thumbsup:

    You wouldn't be a march hare for having it a sweep for Mugabi through four - or, you could just as reasonably have it 39-37 for Hagler. The average fan & pundit scorecard had them split 38-all one third of the way into the scheduled twelve; probably that is the most equitable.

    The rest of the way, though, it was virtually all the champion surging to build & widen a points lead behind his flintlock southpaw jab - save in the 7th, when Mills Lane fairly docked him for a meaty south of the border right hook; and the 9th which you could in all sobriety give the challenger. Given the sweltering assault he withstood in the 5th-8th, you almost want to give it to John Paul sentimentally even if you do see it a Hagler round or 10-10 in your heart of hearts. The last minute of it at the very least was a near ATG rally from the Ugandan.

    But then, what do all the real greats do, confronted with peers stepping up their game? They strap on the jetpack and make the opponent wear their exhaust trail like a Carmen Miranda headpiece.

    At the point in a grueling fight when you'd expect most of even the mortal ranks' most elite fighters to begin to wane in their output & intensity, Hag dialed in and went up a gear. Mugabi was defeated on paper via TKO in round 11, but not quite halfway into round 10 you can see the shocked awe setting in on his face as he felt himself plucked and transferred from a bucket labeled "equal combatant" to another labeled "prey". He knew he didn't have a third wind in him, and even if he did it mightn't have mattered. The undisputed 160lb king of the world has set out to prove a point at his expense and that resolve only calcified in the championship rounds.

    If you were to give Mugabi the benefit of the doubt in all the rounds he could have won (1-4 and 9), you would with the point deduction actually have him ahead at the stoppage, 95-94. He was, however, again, already dead in the water before sitting on his stool for the last time between rounds ten & eleven.

    A pair of the GOAT middleweight chins on display here (very few names rubbing shoulders with them at the very top - Monzón, Fullmer, Toney, maybe a couple others). So too is some of the best bell-to-bell bilateral body punching you'll find in a match - as their subsequent weeks of bloody urine would attest.

    Apropos of nothing, btw - anybody know exactly when & why Budweiser ever stopped renting ad space on ring canvases? Such an iconic look - and I don't even really like Bud! (not the worst American domestic beer maybe, but...miles from the best. And that again, is at the mere lowly American domestic level :deal:)
     
  2. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hagler was noticeably slower in his lateral movement/legs and defensive reflexes, which made for a better fight. He took some hard shots and was urinating blood (as was Mugabi) after the fight.

    I always felt Hagler was a step ahead though, and absolutely had a field day with his right jab.
     
  3. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A fine fight. Marvin may have been past his very best but he could still pull it out when necessary. Mugabi was a very dangerous opponent.
     
  4. quintonjacksonfan

    quintonjacksonfan Active Member Full Member

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    Just watched the under card Shuler versus Hearns. To bad we never got the rematch
     
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  5. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    No!!
    It's not 38 years ago!!!


    Surely?
     
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  6. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Hagler is the unbeatable Middleweight
     
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  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    See for me it isn't quite as bad, because I was a toddler when this happened and therefore obviously don't have vivid memories of it...but I do remember adults in my life talking about Hagler fights more than once in early childhood, and there's only so many it could have been in reference to with me being born in October '82. So the fact that the scuttlebutt from my diaper days is now four decades bygone does make me feel a little old. :lol:

    I think the first time I heard Hagler's name was watching an episode of Cheers where Sam gets tickets to a fight of his (if in or near Boston in the mid-80's it can only have been Sibson or Scypion). That theme song is like a Proustian gateway to childhood for me. That and Suicide is Painless from M*A*S*H*.
     
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  8. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    March 10 1986 KO 10. The fight was quite a struggle until John The Beast Mugabi ran out of gas after a fast start, then Marvelous Marvin Hagler began to tee off on him. In Hagler's next fight on April 6 1987, he would lose the WBC version of the Middleweight title to challenger Sugar Ray Leonard, who had not had a fight in almost 3 years by decision in 12 rounds in Las Vegas, Nevada in his 13th title defense.
     
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  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I doubt he'll ever not be my pick for #1 h2h middleweight in my lifetime. Same as Louis at HW.

    (not that Louis is literally unbeatable, obviously - but IMO he beats the most other ATG's more often than not)
     
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  10. DKD

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    Mugabi had a priest in his corner for this fight.

    In between rounds 7 and 8 (I think) you can hear Micky Duff say “… if you won’t do it for me,John, do it for the father.”

    Great action fight. Hagler was past his best at this point and took a lot of hard shots. He had to dig deep to wear Mugabi down. Unfortunately Mugagi was never quite the same after this fight. I think this fight also took the last bit of steam out of Hagler, too.
     
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  11. Fireman Fred

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    Mugabi was a terrific puncher, I think it was the 4th when he landed a terrific uppercut which would have at least dropped most

    middleweights.

    Hagler was past his best but the way he rallied in the 6th but how Mugabi replied. Great heart but he was finished after that.

    What was shocking was what happened vs Duane Thomas in his next bout.

    He managed to comeback and win a world crown but those 1 round losses to Norris and McClelland were vicious.
     
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  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Damn, no pressure or anything. :lol:
     
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  13. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    Thank you for reminding me i am old, i remember watching the bout, as always was a big fan of Marvellous Marvin.
    The Marvellous one prevailed, but the Beast made him work hard.
     
  14. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I remember it well, Richard.
    Was a good fight and the Beast was built up to be a fearsome challenger.
    He put in a good show, he worked for it but Hagler had enough left to stop him.
     
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  15. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I was around 17 and the world of boxing was perfect back then
    Hagler was my first middleweight champ and is still number one in my mind.

    Ps cheers is brilliant, the theme tune takes me back also.
    Been watching the reruns over here on a morning.