>>> 40 y/o Wlad vs 40 y/o Big George...

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  1. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    nonsense
     
  2. BCS8

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    That's not unreasonable and in fact I think a prime Foreman gives Wlad no end of trouble because now he actually has the footwork, the speed and the stamina to close him down and force him to fight.
     
  3. BCS8

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    :lol: fanboy, much?

    Bert Cooper wants his rematch. He was robbed!
     
  4. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Tyson don't! :campeon:
     
  5. Outstock

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    King Kong - a poor mans Foreman wasted Jennings. The real Foreman would do the same.

    Ortiz exposed yet again how overrated Wlad is.
     
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  6. BCS8

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    OLD Foreman would do nothing of the sort :lol:
     
  7. Outstock

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    I saw old man Ortiz do it. Jennings was a very basic boxer who did everything wrong. Couldn't jab , couldn't generate power , couldn't use his reach advantage.
    Foreman would walk through him just like old man Ortiz did. Ortiz proved why Wlad is very overrated. Jennings had Wlad retreating a lot of the time. Wlad didn't appear to have many idea's after the ref's refusal to allow him use clinching tactics.
    Ortiz didn't need to clinch. He beat Jennings up in close and knocked him out
     
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  8. Blackclouds

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    Prime Holyfield didn't respect old George trying to bomb him out and almost got embarassed. It's why Forman doing commentary was obsessed with telling everybody Holyfield was hurt by a punch, he kept reliving that fight in his head, if only he capitalized when he thought he had Holy. Michael Moore didn't respect old George at even later age and paid the price. Tommy Morrison just boxed old foreman and won despite not having the best chin. As long as the respect is there by Wlad and he boxes the old version of Foreman he would win by a decision, any other way and he could get embarassed. Also I think Foreman got robbed against Briggs so not a pushover.
     
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    This I agree with. Foreman still had thudding power and I would not recommend any heavyweight mixing it up even with the old version if they had other options.
     
  10. Outstock

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    I don't get the point here. Foreman did have Holyfield hurt and he did try to capitalize but failed. Evander fought probably one of his most disciplined and defensive fights of his career.
    Atlas had the upmost respect for Foreman and knew exactly how dangerous he was , he trained Moorer for that fight so i don't see how Moorer wouldn't have any respect for him. These guy knew what they were dealing with. Moorer was a flat footed come forward guy. There's not much he could have done to avoid a knock out loss. Teddy said he knew all along that the right hand was coming.
    Naw , Morrison didn't just simply turn up and decide to out box Foreman , he trained and prepared for that fight harder and more intensely than any other and produced a showing he never produced before or after . It was a near master class. Tommy that night would have been a tough proposition for anybody. Foreman ruled out the possibility of a rematch after he beat Moorer. He wanted nothing more do with him.

    To beat George you had to take his power away. I can't see Wladimir dancing away for 12 rounds and avoiding all contact to win a decision . The constant movement would likely run the gas tank out of him before the half way point.
     
  11. madballster

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    We're talking about 40 year old fat plodding slow Foreman. Wlad is slower himself, but also has a massive reach advantage over George. Wlad doesn't have to exert much energy. He would jab 1-2 form the outside. Foreman has to do the work if he wants to come inside. And then Wlad ties him up like a good ole' octopus.

    40 year old Foreman has no chance outside of a lucky punch early on.
     
  12. Uppercut_Artist

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    The only thing that saves Vlad in this fight is his number 1 skill and asset: Size. Making an excellent case that even a dufus can compete, if they are 6'8".
     
  13. Outstock

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    45 year old Foreman became the undisputed champion. 39 year old Wlad is known for being too scared to throw a punch against Tyson Fury and losing his titles in an embarrassing manner. .

    38 year old Wlad was getting out boxed and pushed around by Jennings. He got removed a point after holding excessively. It would end brutally for him if he spent the same time up in Foremans grill as he spent in Jennings. At 40 years old its likely all he'd be able to manage.
    No man is grappling onto Foreman and winning. That's a completely outrageous proposal .
     
  14. madballster

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    Do yourself a favor and actually WATCH the fight instead of Boxrec'ing. Former LHW Michael Moorer outboxed 45 year old Fat Foreman and was way up on the scorecards. Then Foreman landed a lucky right hand that shattered Moorer's soft chin.

    I said Old George has a chance of a lucky punch vs. Klitschko, early on. But there's no way he will outbox Wlad or get a decision. Foreman will be plodding after Wladdy trying to land something, he takes 2-3 punches while trying to get inside then he gets hugged down. Rinse and repeat.
     
  15. Blackclouds

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    Holyfield didn't fight Foreman with any other gameplan than to bomb him out and considering how he got buzzed and stunned really good (but hid it well) it was an almost disaster in retrospect. That was not a disciplined performance, he was trying too hard to impress because of Mike Tyson's hype.

    Morrison, that's probably his best fight but he didn't aggressively try to knock out Foreman like he did against other fighters. That's how one would try to beat old Foreman, stay disciplined and out point him. Against Prime Foreman I honestly don't know what could be done, get lucky I guess.

    Far as constant movement tiring out Wlad. He constantly moved against Samuel Peter and didn't tire so I'd give him the benefit of the doubt on his stamina. I am also assuming he has one more good effort left at this point, we shall see.