40 year old Ali (No parkinsons) vs 41 year old Wlad

No but there is "modern" supplements that Ali didn't take.

 

Ali without parkinsons at 40? How is anyone supposed to know this question or how parkinsons affected him when he was 40 since with his speed prior to that, he would not have looked great no matter what. I think we saw the 40 year old Ali without much parkinsonian symptoms. He had a long career.

 

weight training, resistance training, etc.... there has been advancement in such disciplines. also nutrition has changed since then as well.

 

No, there has been no such advancement.
Literally none.
That may sound like a really a bold statement, since you've no doubt heard all of your life that athletes are scientifically trained, but the science upon which this training is allegedly based simply does not exist.

There is no actual branch of science dedicated to studying how athletes perform (let alone publishing seminal results on how to improve this in peer reviewed journals) and nutrition research is aimed almost entirely at studying the effects of diet on health and longevity, not athletic performance. And even there the results are highly inconclusive and hotly disputed. (This is partly because it's extremely difficult to study in any controlled manner, and partly because the closer financial incentives and conflicts of interest get to research, the less rigorous and reliable it tends to become.)

It's funny, but science simultaneously knows far more and far less than most people think.

 

we dont know, since we never saw an undiseased ali at 40.

however ali had better fundamentals, rudimentals and intangibles. You'd be a fool not to bet on him.

 

most of these advancements are made to prevent injury. we are talking about injury free oppponents here.

 

It's very likely that Ali's reflexes and conditioning would be much worse without the highly probable use of performance enhancing drugs. Which weren't illegal back then.

 

Wlad at 41 was possibly the best 40something boxer I've ever seen outside of Hopkins. That's a tribute to a rigorous lifestyle and taking very little damage over his career. He very very nearly had Joshua stretchered out, let's not forget that. Anybody give Leon Spinks a ghost of a chance against AJ?

Ali had prodigious assets in his prime that slowly withered away due to age and the damage that he took over his career. His Parkinson's was also a byproduct of the hammering he'd taken. He was far, far more shot than Wlad at that sort of age.

A straight up comparison is lopsided in Wlad's favour.

But, even removing the damage from Ali, leaves him with a style that depended on speed and mobility ... without the speed and mobility. Rope a dope won't work against the "gramps" version of Wlad who would be quite happy to jab his way to a points win. Ali's facing a larger, rangier, much harder hitting opponent with a highly technical style while being deprived of his best assets. He doesn't even really have the punching power to count on the proverbial "lucky punch".

I don't really see how Ali can win.

 

Yes, but not only "sports medicine", but also important medicine in general, and changing the world of boxing. I think Wlad wouldn't be better than Ali (as a boxer) in his 40 if he lived in the days of Ali with 15 rounds, and especially with those opponents that were with Ali.

 

Huh? Ali didn't win any single minute of that fight.

 

Ali was way down the other side of the hill in his mid thirties even without Parkinson's at 40
Wlad at 41 would win easily and I'm one who certainly wouldn't take Wlad to beat Ali in his prime.
Ali had taken part in too many wars by then compared with Wlad.

 

this is a sick ass thread
Waldo fighting a man that is sick
how bout putting both of them fighting each other in their prime.

 

I don’t know about a minute, but he clocked Holmes, and Larry slowed down for a round.

It took Holmes more than half the rounds to take Ali out. He was tentative the entire time. Full alert, and full effort from Larry Holmes.

 

You believe it's highly likely Ali used PED'S? Alright then...... HAHAHAHA.