40 year old Ali (No parkinsons) vs 41 year old Wlad

Wlad beats on him for a few rounds then the ref jumps in. No strength in Ali's punches towards the end, and at 41 Klit was the best conditioned 40+ heavy ever. Klit was probably 80% of what he was prime, where as Ali shouldn't of been anywhere near a ring at same age !

 

Wait, I can do this too:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... HA!

Felt good.

 

Ali at 39 after Berbick ""I think I'm too old. I was slow. I was weak. Nothing but Father Time. The things I wanted to do, I couldn't do. I was doing my best. I did good for a 39-year-old. I think I'm finished. I know it's the end. I'm not crazy. After Holmes, I had excuses. I was too light. Didn't breathe right. No excuses this time. I'm happy. I'm still pretty. I could have a black eye. Broken teeth. Split lips. I think I came out all right for an old man.""

Let's make him a year older and fight Wlad.

Yeah, this will end well.

 

No answer I see.....

 

It's simple. You asserted Wlad was likely on gear with zero proof and despite his being tested thoroughly. I could likewise make the same assertion about Ali with the added bonus to my argument that he was never, to my nowledge, subjected to anything like the drug testing Wlad was. Have a good day.

 

Is it just coincidence that modern fighters are fighting on much older than the fighters of the past and staying in amazing shape, I think not.

 

My only point is that Ali was seriously shot at the tailend of his career and Wlad was only moderately declined. My additional point is that Ali's style relied a lot on either assets he didn't really have anymore (speed, footwork) or on opponents gassing themselves out (rope a dope) which Wlad no longer did, or on the hit n hold, which would be disastrous against the evil Dr Octopus himself. Whereas Wlad still had many physical assets and the stylistic advantage, at that period that we are measuring them.

On paper this is unwinnable for shot Ali, even without Parkinsons.

 

Without me getting sarcastic, and with respect: your statement does not prove anything.

 

It does not prove anything no but without getting sarcastic or anything there's no smoke without fire.

 

Ali was incredibly fast. He had to be on something. There's no smoke without fire.

 

Eh? He wasn't fast in his late thirties now was he? That's a bad example that is pal.

 

Evidently the decline was so severe that not even drugs could save him This conversation is going nowhere without facts. Get back to me when Wlad is popped for so much as aspirin.

 

He doesnt need to get popped. He can just get a nedical exemption for testosterone and growth hormone and the public wouldnt know about it because his(and everyone else's) medical records are private. Its npt that difficult. Tons of fighters cite head trauma(and resulting damage to their pituitary gland) as the reason why they need medical exemptions for testosterone and growth hormone use.

Wlad(to me) clearly looked like someone on a hefty dose of growth hormone, which by the way still cant reliably be tested for and has a detection time of only around 24hrs.
HGH also didnt make its way into boxing until the early 90s(When evander holyfield supposedly got it from Lee Haney a former bodybuilding champ)so Ali definitely did not have access to it during his career.

Either way this whole PED debate and vilification is pointless. They were all on whatever
1. they had access to
2. What would help their performance
Because thats how they make their money.

That being said Wlad of the Joshua fight doesnt just beat Ali of the Berbick fight but has a pretty good chance of knocking him clean out.

 

I think steroid use did go on in boxing in the 70s and 80s but not so much in american boxing.people thought it slowed u down.im not going to mention names as there is not a shred of evidence to support my "hunch" and it would be a grave indultbbut in the 1980s there were some fighters in Britain with incredible physiqus we havnt quite seen the like of since...particularly 147 up to 175...a lot of these guys fought 15 rounds too and held a great deal of ripped muscularity