41 year old Wlad in a series of fantasy fights

WK is one of the greatest athletes of all time from boxing outside the ring but regular fitness and fighting fitness is not the same.
Wlad had a million pound state of the art training camp for Fury , yet he was out worked , out conditioned and out manoeuvred by a guy who trained in an emptied out office and ran up hills.
Froch and Calzaghe both prided themselves on using old school training methods and they were both two of the best conditioned fighters of the last 30 years.
Its not even a debate if you go down in weights and start comparing the stamina and endurance of old timers to modern timers.
Its not an accurate statement to say modern era fighters are better conditioned than past era fighters. The best conditioned fighter of all time is from the 1950s and nobody comes close to that guy in terms of stamina and edurance.

 

I was only answering the question in the OP, 41yo Wlad was focused, hungry and aggressive. If he fights Ali, etc in his usual fashion I could still favour him to win against most/all with less KO's but I think the individual set of circumstances for each opponent would have to be defined first. (also I have seen limited footage of J. Johnson for example)

I think there was a lot different between Wlad versus Fury and Wlad versus Joshua, I get what your trying to say, I just disagree that any mind games Ali plays would prove as decisive as you believe.

Just because Wladimir didn't take out Haye or even Jennings with the style he fought them doesn't mean he couldn't if he fought like he did against Joshua, or even if he had have just took a bit more risk to KO them while in Grabimir mode. Also, for a fan of the guy, that last sentence I quoted is a bit harsh.

 

Talk to the TS.

 

JoffJoff,

Fair enough. But he looked hungry and motivated in the build up to the Fury fight. He was also uncharacteristically angry.

Ali was a master at mind games.

What he did with Liston was unreal. He admitted that he was scared of Sonny, but he broke into his training sessions etc, to get to him mentally.

That's my point.

Why wasn't he in that same mindset?

Of course, styles make fights. But you'd think he'd have fought in the manner that he did at Wembley much more often.

Look at the tools at his disposal.

We didn't need to see him constantly in "Grabamir" mode. But we did. And I think that was due to his early knockout defeats. And that's why I think it's a stretch to assume he'd have beaten the likes of Ali and Liston etc, most likely by knockout. I don't think it would have been at all likely.

 

Indeed he was. I can be a bit critical of Ali for various technical reasons (check me, the boxing guru) but he boasts incredible mental attributes that shouldn't be underestimated, I take everything you argued on board.

 

Tyson had excellent power

 

I'm referring to Tyson Fury, not Mike.

 

Basically yes, not because he beat Charles Martin but I believe once you become a champion I don't see how you can be classed as a prospect.

A bit like I would never class Lomachenko as a prospect now he's a champion after only 3 fights....might just be me but once you're champion you shed the prospect "tag" as you should be facing the very best of the division unless your name is Wilder.

 

You cant be Heavyweight Champ of the world and be a prospect...Learning curve is over. Time to take on all comers...lol I'm just repeating u really. Your right though

 

he wasnt.

some not as fast? what a joke, wlad isnt fast.

far smaller is a joke too, at HW proportions is most prominent.

good inside fighters wont get tied up, because they are good!

 

wlad can turn up the speed when he wants. You don't think Wlad was a hard man outbox ??? History really says different. Ok they are proportionally smaller than Wlad, that better ???

 

why didnt you understand proportions means diminishing returns of size advantage at HW? let me know why you dont know this. dont tell me its wrong, its a physical law. Just let me know why YOU dont know it.

Hisotry doesnt say different - YOU say different. Wlads got a wellhoned but narrow defensive skillset, and if forced to act outside it he becomes flummoxed quickly. A skilled boxer can unlock him.

 

A good big'n beats a good little'n 9/10, its the norm. I cant understand why people like you don't understand. History, as in the last 10 years, has proven wlads hard to beat/outbox,its on record, go check. I agree Wlad is in less control if pressured, but you have to be a big man to do it, or as strong/stronger. That's why hes easily been the best since Lewis and his bro retired. Big man with atg skills whether you like it or not

 

I dont get why u dont get proportions, but heyho I did ask you to explain why you dont get it, and you didnt try, you just repeated.

Its plain to see what you like, but I see a guy who can get beat by fringers and journeymen again and again and again and again and again. It wasnt me who asked him to lose to them so its not whether I like it or not at all.
Perhaps you mean a different klitschko.