I agree with all of it. Again, you're arguing something that hasn't been denied. The point me and DW are making is that someone who is malnourished can still make strength gains because strength is primarily neurological. Will the strength gains be "incredible" as you threw out, not at all, but because of the way the body works the gains will happen to a degree. It's a simple and a pointless point.
What I'm arguing is that a person who is malnourished will not make strength gains. They weights will be too taxing on their nervous system.
I don't really know what the point of your argument is. A person who is malnourished can make strength gains if they're relatively untrained. More importantly strength training would limit their strength loss during times of negative calorie balance. Your body always has energy reserves even if you're not eating anything. That's exactly what body fat is. You also metabolize muscle. You don't want to be and you don't want to be malnourished, but again I'm not sure what the point of this conversation is. If you're malnourished you're better off strength training rather than not strength training, that's all I have to say.
No, your body goes into fat storing mode when you are malnourished. Strength training can be detrimental to malnourished people because their weight is constantly dropping and there is no room for muscular or neural repair/growth. Btw muscular growth doesn't necessarily mean bodybuilding or getting bigger muscles. My whole point was to say that weight lifting isn't for everyone. I just used malnutrition as an example because it was the first thing I thought of. It wasn't even directed at you, it was directed at virus. I didn't bring it up to debate over what malnutrition is.
My reason for posting that definition was showing how inane your request was. Stop acting like the role of a S&C coach is somehow so complex that only a self professed expert such as yourself can grasp. It's not. They get people to do exercises to improve physical performance. Fking hell dude. Get over yourself. Yeah and everything in life does what it says on the tin right. 100% Guarantee right. Huh whos the infant here I wonder. The subject I'm arguing is this. Look at guys that have success without the S&C coaching you and another re**** on this forum subscribe to, I argue that it would be idiotic to tell them to change their training methods as what they are doing works and works very well for them and the sport they are involved in. Very simple argument, nothing much to say really. Would be accepted by anyone with a functioning brain but alas that is in short supply on esb. If I go on further look at their fights. (Froch & Golovkin are arguably the most physically dominant and imposing fighters in their division and if anything it's always the OTHER guy that runs out of steam & power. Not them. But you have to continually **** on training methods like that. No he will be better with S&C no this or that. There's no guarantees in life mate. No matter how many times you say S&C will improve guys like Golovkin, where is the evidence in BOXING? There is none. Whereas Froch&Golovkin training has proven to be effective at world class level for them. Also common sense dictates why change something that is clearly working extremely well? Are you stupid. Fking hell. Nothing else to say really. I'm bored of this now as I'm just repeating myself again and again and again.
Concerning the article you linked. Can you even read ffs? The part about strength and conditioning is from MACKLIN's interview "On alternate days, I'll go back to the gym in the evening and work with my strength and conditioning coach" Who need I remind you, got absolutely destroyed. Thanks for wasting my time with a meaningless article re****. Golovkin is trained by one person. Abel Sanchez. And no he doesnt have a shiny S&C degree or ask people to do deadlifts. Read my above reply to virus for my final word on the matter. Ive got work to do. Adios. PS In case you doubted what I was saying about golovkin&froch: "Most of his training involves boxing-specific work, bodyweight exercises and virtually zero tradition weight lifting." http://www.mensfitness.com/training/pro-tips/fit-five-boxing-champion-gennady-golovkin http://www.coachmag.co.uk/exercises/sport-workouts/228/carl-froch-boxing-workout 'To win a fight, you need to be strong and explosive with good stamina so you can throw hard punches in every round,' Froch says. 'Because boxing is weight-governed, it's important to do strengthening exercises that don't add bulk, so I don't use fancy equipment or weights.
I asked you to explain because clearly you have no idea what an S&C coach does yet you claim you know. What? Funny thing is I agree, you're just not smart enough to get why so I'll explain. An S&C coach doesn't walk in and say "Deadlifts! Deadlifts and weight lifting! S**** all of your training and start lifting weight now!" This is clearly your idiotic perception of what happens. In reality an S&C coach will slightly tweak existing training methods IF they can be improved in some way. Or add in pre-hab exercises to prevent injury. Maybe add an exercise or 2 to sort out a muscle imbalance, again preventing injury and improving performance. But you don't understand this. Again, an S&C coach may not primarily work on things you'd expect, mostly because you don't know what they do.
Let go back This content is protected Re: 5 exercises for KO power This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected And then a simple stock standard if it ain't broke don't fix it common sense counter when suggested that Golovkin could improve his power through these exercises. Which resulted in three apes collectively ****ting bricks. Quite comical actually.:rofl Theres really nothing more to be said. SEE YA, fking idiot.:hi:
Im always surprised when the threads I think should take off dont and the ones that I think wont do. :huh
What you just said was relevant to me how? You didn't address anything I said above and went back to arguing with someone else while replying to me. Try actually replying to what I'm saying and not what others are saying. "An S&C coach doesn't walk in and say "Deadlifts! Deadlifts and weight lifting! S**** all of your training and start lifting weight now!" This is clearly your idiotic perception of what happens. In reality an S&C coach will slightly tweak existing training methods IF they can be improved in some way. Or add in pre-hab exercises to prevent injury. Maybe add an exercise or 2 to sort out a muscle imbalance, again preventing injury and improving performance." I completely agree that if something works then you don't s**** it or **** it up completely. It's a good job that that isn't what S&C coaches actually do then isn't it. What are your thoughts on that?
I would say that's perfectly reasonable if it goes down like that. What do you expect me to say :huh Problem is. It rarely happens like that. Youll have the guy come in and start picking apart literally every exercise they are doing in camp cause they see problems with this exercise and that exercise even though it's been working fine. It can cause conflict and then youve got it fking up the team hierarchy and morale of the camp as well. Not to mention the unpredictable in-ring results of drastic changes in training might bring about. So unless there is a specific need for someone like that to be brought in it should be avoided. Alternatively strict boundaries can be set but that can also be counterproductive tying the S&C hands behind his back. IMO it's clear that in the Big Bear environment a S&C would most likely NOT WORK as Abel is head honcho and runs everything there. Stick with what works, especially when its working as well as it is.
As I've said in a few other threads, it comes down to the individual's needs. An S&C coach can improve strength levels which has been stated numerous times. But as you've stated with your example of Golovkin - does he need more strength? The answer is probably no. But that's only a small part of what an S&C coach does. Every athlete has small areas that they're deficient in. Mobility, muscle imbalances, joint pain etc can all be addressed by an S&C coach. Would it be blatantly obvious by watching them box that they been with with a coach? Maybe not, but the athlete would feel the benefit which is the whole point. If a guy comes in and starts picking apart everything that clearly works, to be blunt, he's a ****ing idiot and it's more about his ego than the athlete. That is all I'm saying. And you seem to agree.
I agree . But once again I'm mindful of the fact that changes in training might bring apart unwanted effects in-ring. Chasing an improvement in a performance metric that is basically meaningless for a guy like Golovkin seems foolish. But mostly I was trying to convey that there's clearly multiple ways of accomplishing the same goals, otherwise how is it then that Golovkin can punch that hard without incorporating any of these so called "top 5 exercises for KO power" at all.