5 Major Reasons Manny Pacquiao Can Beat Floyd Mayweather

I love how most of us have been talking about this fight since 2008, and yet people still get interested in analysing the matchup and debating about the winner. It's a mark of just how much this bloody fight needs to get made, before people go nuts from frustration. I have to be honest, I never thought it would take so long...this is just ridiculous now. If it doesn't happen in 2012 then it'll be one of the biggest disappointments in the history of the sport. It's already a disappointment that they didn't fight a year or two ago...

As for the thread topic, I think that list missed one of the most important elements -- the difference in workrate between Pac and Floyd. That could be what tips the balance in Pac's favour if the fight ever happens.

I'm going to stick with what I've always said, though -- I have Floyd as the favourite, with Pac as a very live threat. Floyd isn't going to walk in there and do his casual pot-shotting routine...he's going to be forced into throwing more punches just to keep Pac off him. Pac struggles with movement and countering, but remember that he still wins in the end -- Shane's tactics irritated him, but they only worked as a survival tactic. He still couldn't do anything in return. Marquez has had the most success in recent years, but even he hit the canvas and was staggered at another point.

To compare Pac and Floyd:

Handspeed - both superb, around the same level.
Power - Pac
Footspeed - Pac
Defence - Floyd
Offence - Pac
General/All Round Skill - Floyd
Consistency down the stretch - both superb, around the same level.
Single shots - Floyd is the master of using these to cruise through fights.
Combinations - Pac is the master of using these to storm through fights.
Ring Intelligence - Floyd

[Bonus Advantage - Pac's southpaw stance.]

Floyd should win, but the longer he waits, the more uncertain I become. I'll have to see how he looks against Ortiz, and how Pac looks against Marquez.

 

Shane wasn't pulling the trigger when Pac reached.


Pac being a Southpaw would matter if he didn't have to come forward to be effective. Judah frustrated Floyd because he was fighting very defensive in that southpaw stance and forcing Floyd to lead.

 

5 reasons why Mayweather can beat Pac

1. Floyd is a accurate counter puncher.
2. He has handle himself against aggressive fighters countless times and always prevail
3. He can clearly out box Pac
4 Adaptable ability
5. His conditioning is just as good as Pacs if not better. So waiting for him to tire is not an option.

 

1. His attacking skills can compete with Mayweather's defense skills

2. Mayweather is past his absolute best

 

I know you like to throw around insults and talk down to people, but let's think about this logically. If Mayweather only asked for blood testing to avoid Pacquiao, that would mean that he knew Pacquiao wouldn't agree to it. If that's true, that would mean that he's still trying to avoid him now as he hasn't dropped his demand. With that being said, you have to see how it's contradictory to claim he asked for the testing before just to avoid Pacquiao and now only wants to fight Pac because has gotten old, even though he still hasn't dropped his demand.

Yes, but there have been many people who claim coming down in weight really hurt Jones and was a contributing factor in him getting knocked out vs. Tarver(he looked very sluggish in their first fight). Of course we all know, that fighters generally aren't the same after getting knocked out cold like that. So while you could argue that Jones' style caused him to age quicker than Johnson, you can't ignore the weight loss and him getting knocked out cold as contributing factors in his decline. Manny has not had to move down divisions, hasn't been knocked out cold, and has looked pretty good recently. Pacquiao may or may not be effective as long as Floyd, but there has been no concrete evidence that he is past it like Jones was against Johnson.

 

Pac may be past his best as well.

IMO, Pac's workrate/speed/stance would cause Floyd problems for about 4 rounds, until Floyds straight right finds a home. Pac consistently fights at the same distance which he'd only be able to stay at for a few rounds. Too far outside and Floyd is too effective at that range, too close inside Floyd is also too effective at that range. Pac would have to keep the entire fight basically within midrange. Now because Pac has very fast footwork, he'd be able to do this for a few rounds I think, but it wouldn't be enough. As soon as Floyd learns his range against Pac, he coasts to victory IMO.

 

As I said in my previous post, I'm way beyond arguing about this now. It has been too glaringly obvious for too long what has gone on. If you can't see that, there's nothing I can say which will help you.

The cut in weight obviously affected Jones initially (1st Tarver fight which he deservedly won but looked a shell of the guy who trounced Clinton Woods in '02), but his explosiveness, reflexes, punching power and stamina have all been in drastic terminal decline since the Ruiz fight. The severity of the decline plus the range of attributes affected cannot be explained any other way than the intervention of Father Time as I see it. JMO.

 

All I'm saying is that if you're of the opinion the testing request was just a way to avoid Pacquiao, then you would have to believe the still doesn't want to fight Pacquiao as he hasn't dropped is testing request. It's basic logic.

The Tarver fight was Jones's first fight after the Ruiz fight.

I don't know about that. We agree that the weight loss hurt him and you said yourself that he started to really decline after the Ruiz fight. That first Tarver fight was Jones' first fight after the Ruiz fight. So how can we say for surehow much of it was the weight loss and how much of it was father time? Of course his next fight he got knocked out cold in the 2nd round. Hell, Paul Williams is only 29 and he looks past it after getting knocked out cold. Father time was catching up to Jones, but the weight loss and the knock out drastically excellerated it IMO.

 

So this is going to be the excuse? You say you believe Floyds legs to be gone (obviously a huge part of his game) in passing as if it's just a side note, yet you give Manny this built in out, even though he's the younger fighter? This seems contridictary to me, how do you work through this issue?

 

Inactivity - Hard to judge. Will inactivity catch up with him against a guy like Ortiz? No. Could it catch up with him against a guy like Pacquiao, a Pacquiao who has been actively fighting at Elite level or there abouts in this time period? Yes.

Roach - This is certainly a factor, and of course he is going to send Pacquiao in there with a couple of varying gameplans. But is it a major factor in Pacquiao beating Mayweather? Not for me. Like I said, Roach will drill the gameplan into him...but Pacquiao's own in ring intelligence has improved, which in turn will be more of a factor for me. Can Pacquiao adapt to Mayweather himself during the bout?

Southpaw stance - Certainly a factor, but not as significant as other factors. Naming no names, certain posters on here overrate this point, even comparing Pacquiao to other southpaw boxers Mayweather has faced and "struggled" with...which IMO is ridiculous. Pacquiao brings his own awkward southpaw style, this brings him great advantage in terms of getting his offense off, but not the "usual" counterpunching southpaw style.

Legs are gone - As of right now, and as of his last performance, Mayweather's legs are not 'gone'. There is a big difference between someones legs being gone, compared to a boxer showing/offering less movement. Compared to his earlier career, he has undoubtedly lost foot speed...but if his legs were gone, he would have been down in that second round against Mosley, the power in his legs enabled him to return to vertical. Mayweather IMO will need to show more movement (not necessarily foot speed) up against Pacquiao...Pacquiao can win this bout if Mayweather fights like he did against Mosley.

Speed and Power - This is by far the biggest factor for me. I believe it will take Mayweather at least a couple of rounds to adjust to the speed (possibly the same for Pacquiao). However, until Mayweather adapts to him, Pacquiao will be landing, and he will be landing hard.

 

Yeah, he's already created an excuse for if Pac looses. lol

 

Yeah those reasons are reasonable.

Funny how you see these slideshows about why Pacquiao can beat Floyd and not the other way around.

Just putting that out there, for y'all to think about.

 

the sad part of the judah vs mayweather fight is that judah was winning the early rounds, Pac won't tire and he can still punch from strange angles. I think its his speed, power, and footwork ability that scares mayweather, he hasn't really tested himself since judah. Pacquiao is a big unknown to the mayweather family. yeah they like to talk **** and bring him down all the time saying he doesn't have any skills but they know better. Why else would they have been ducking him all these years.

If you look at manny's last few knockdowns and ko's they have all come from different punches and from both hands, he is not as some people think a one or two trick poney.

 

if you look at both of these fighters, both have clearly been dominating there opponents for a long time. Do I know for absolute certainty who will win. NO of course not but people still like to analyze and debate. To me its just odd though, if mayweather was so sure he could beat pac why hasn't he fought him yet because everyone knows the drug testing is bull**** anyway.

 

We will see hopefully

I still dont understand how some on here dont seem to think Floyd can outbox Pac for whatever reason.

Roach is actualy pac's handicap if you ask me...sending a fighter in with a set gameplan fukks a fighter now days with Floyd...its sets them up to get confused and to fall into traps when he has figured them out. I think he should let Pac fight instinctively....which would in turn make it harder for Floyd to pick up his rhthym and gameplan...and would keep him guessing slowing down his process of breaking him down or figuring him out...that would allow him to pick up rounds off of activity and or catch him with a bomb for the TKO/KO.

Anyways i still feel Floyd's skill in that ring and how he approaches fighting is underrated and you can tell by a lot of the comments on this board..especialy by a certain groupie on here.