5 months later what are your thoughts on Wilder v Fury III looking back?

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  1. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have a few points to contend against what you are saying...
    Firstly Ward and Gatti although not highly skilked was competitive so therefore quality ebb and flow...
    Wilder has a low skill level ergo not comparable to an ATG therefore shite.
    Against Fury complete mismatch.
     
  2. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    Fury-Wilder was competitive, albeit not numerically (at least not after about the 8th, though Wilder was ahead after a third of the scheduled distance), but both fighters were tenacious and fire was exchanged throughout. A guy can be a way behind on points and still be competitive.


    There are those who say the same ("low skill level") about both Gatti and Ward. It's not fair comment, but they say it. Your own words ("not highly skilled") could be interpreted to mean as much, though I take them to mean you have Gatti and Ward at a middling skill level.

    Maddening as it might be to think of a guy being soundly undressed only to take it all away from his opponent with one swipe of his dominant hand, Wilder has a potent equalizer. As much as guys might say he'd be nothing without his big bomb, it still exists. It consistently keeps him relevant in fights, a constant threat, which goes double if he's actually connecting with some frequency (as he was able to do as late as the 10th round of Fury III).

    A shitty fighter doesn't overcome Luis Ortiz (who is clearly not a shitty fighter), even if that God-given right hand really is the only thing keeping him from being a shitty fighter.

    Wilder doesn't have to be an ATG to be involved in a historically classic heavyweight fight. Ron Lyle isn't turning up in any HW Top 20 lists I've seen, but his bout with Foreman (itself a pretty sloppy shootout, which many might've expected Foreman to have won more routinely) is considered a heavyweight classic.


    But this was proven untrue, because Fury touched down four times across the three fights, three heavily.

    I can make an authentic claim to being the earliest and most steadfast Fury believer here (**** @miniq, he didn't even believe in Tyson's bid to dethrone Wlad), and I backed him very confidently in three fights with Wilder. If Wilder was a fighter who never had any business being in a ring with Fury, I'd likely be the first to announce it (I can think of a current Top 10 heavyweight who I probably would say that of).
     
  3. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No.....
     
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    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    Yes?

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  5. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Ate you saying Eddie Hearn, that great, honest, upright and respectable Englishman IS LYING?!?
     
  6. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    :lol: He's on that Piers Morgan tier of smarmy redcoat scumbag bullshitter, yeah.
     
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  7. deadACE

    deadACE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm done lol. Yeah ok then.

    Crying over Joshua, classic whataboutism. We're talking about Wilder and Fury.

    Bits of cloth and metal, then talking about nonsense lineage lol. When you pop dirty, you lose any entitement to being considered number 1, in any facet. He's a cheat ffs. Lineal lol.

    Was Fury a world champ when he faced Wilder? Answer is No. So you were wrong. It's OK to be wrong, I am all the time.

    You want to believe Wilder wasn't a paper champion, best win is Ortiz.

    Apparently you want to believe Joshua ducked Wilder lol. Pretty clear from the events it was the other way around.

    I guess we have different beliefs lol. Have a good day
     
  8. rodxd

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    greatest fight i've ever seen.
     
  9. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    3rd fight was an entertaining affair but if we're honest it was a pointless fight. As trilogies go it's entertaining enough but there needed to be a 3rd fight as much as there needed to be a 3rd fight between Hopkins and Robert Allen. We all knew who was going to win the 3rd fight, Wilder never stood a chance it was a contractual obligation that made that fight not the fans desire to see a third fight. Hell we all knew after the first fight Wilder wasn't on Fury's level.
     
  10. navigator

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    Well, who did have the precious physical belts besides Wilder? Who else were you implying was the true heavyweight champion at that time if not the belt-warmer himself?

    Don't be coy. You were unsubtly insinuating that Joshua had the rightful claim to being the man of the division. Pointing that insinuation out and deconstructing it does not constitute whataboutism, smart guy, much less classic whataboutism. Look it up, learn some nuance.


    Yeah, you're done. You can keep your motor running and waste your gas (hey, that stuff's getting costly!), but you were already shut down like you was Tony Danza's '57 Chevy and I was a '66 Shelby Cobra 427. I don't have to keep doing it all day on account of you don't know when you're licked. :lol:
     
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    That was the general mood among boxing's fanbase prior to Marquez-Pacquiao IV, too. 'Yawn, give us something new, nothing's gonna change.' Turned out to be the most dramatic and indelible bout of the series in most folks' memories.

    Was the Fury-Wilder series ultimately as competitive as the Marquez-Pacquiao series? Nah, but that doesn't mean it didn't yield classic fights.

    Should the third fight have happened? In pure sporting terms, no, the second bout was conclusive enough. But it was contracted to happen and ended up being highly memorable.


    He sat Fury down heavily twice. That represents a chance in a fight by any reasonable metric (even if, on this occasion, he was unfortunate enough to be stood opposite a man who has otherworldly powers of recovery and is basically immortal).
     
  12. deadACE

    deadACE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Joshua was never in my mind ffs. You Joshua haters are hilarious.

    Actually my original point was that Wilder is C D level. I respect that level. Boxing isn't easy.

    It was only when I made a valid point about Wilders ability and resume that you switched your focus to Fury, probably because you thought you had surer footing regarding lineal nonsense.

    What's this bollocks about cars lol?
     
  13. Liquorice

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    They're 6'7/8 individuals mate.. you are not exactly going to get Hagler v Duran skill levels are u? Also they were both coming off a long lay off .. & Wilder was boxing fairly well early on anyway but Fury is a spoiler & able to adjust too .. yes it was sloppy and messy at times so what? Not every fight has to be a Roman Gonzalez technical masterpiece.. it still pretty much had everything for me ..
     
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  14. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    People need to go watch more heavyweight boxing. Half of the bouts they are gassed out and finished after 4 rounds. Ali clinched the hell out of his opponents along with the Klitscko's. Wilder Fury was a stormer, Wilder could have worked a little more late fight but he wasn't looking for that he was building his reserves to find another 1 shot which he managed a handful of times to stop Fury in his tracks.
     
  15. iamthegreatest

    iamthegreatest Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilder was outclassed and bullied by Fury, who is a better boxer.