50 Greatest Welterweights of all Time

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    ...i've only indicated that seven welterweights have to be ranked in front of them. They could literally rank #8 or #9 on the list.

    At the lowest, assuming no changes (and there will be changes) they will rank #13 and #14.

    In other words, their range is 7-14.

    You have said they were GOAT in their own century. Robinson, Leonard, Lewis, Britton, Napoles, Gavilan, Griffith and Mayweather have all emerged since then, so of course they might be ranked lower.

    I don't understand the objection if i'm honest, 7-14 seems to be exactly the sort of range they would inhabit; indeed, this was inflicted in the ESB poll (9 and 14), and in Ryan's case, both the Boxing Scene 25 and the IBRO poll.

    Walcott was ranked higher - but i believe he was credited upon these lists for heavyweights/middleweights he KO'd whilst weighing in as a ww. I don't treat these wins as being relevant for the ww division, but rather the division of the victim, and on the p4p list.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Swapped out Ike Quartey for Young Jack Thompson.
     
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    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Get YJT swapped out for Vernon Forrest
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    OK, I didn’t understand that your list meant “anywhere between A and B”.

    Even on that basis, I think you are selling them short.

    I mean Mayweather?
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Forrest beat a total of one ranked contender by my eye.

    I know, i was shocked too - any intell to the contrary gratefully received.
     
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    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Mosley, Frank, Phillips, Stone and Oliveira by my eye.

    Although his ranking is entirely H2H based.
     
  7. Berlenbach

    Berlenbach Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Kid Gavilan a bit high perhaps? Even in his prime he could be up and down and he has some stand out losses mixed in with his good wins.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I'd have to reject the premise that considering them for the lower reaches of the top ten of the welterweight list is selling them short. The alternative is to state that they are inarguably locked on such a list above Mickey Walker, Barney Ross and Jimmy McLarning and I don't accept that.

    Mayweather is a problem alright - but I think people have to accept he is in this type of company. The man is 11-0 in lineal welterweight title fights, retired the undefeated champion of the world and has a swathe of contenders at the weight.

    If you don't like him above Ryan, that's fine, but I don't think snorting at his inclusion in this clutch is reasonable any more - by your own standards of dominance, lengthy title reigns (seven or eight calender years in two stints) most of all.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    If this was true it would get him in.

    What's your source?

    I'm after rankings when he met them btw, not two years after or whatever.
     
  10. lufcrazy

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    I'm not sure of the rankings at the exact time of the fight other than Mosley being 1 then 2.
     
  11. Jester

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    I really do think Mayweather is too high. I don't think he should be above any of the guys in Tier 4. Tier 5 is about where I'd put him. Hearns and Ross could swap places. Curry and Benitez I might put a tier higher.

    I'm very found of this series, and I look forward to seeing what you do with it.
     
  12. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Great list. But by your criteria, Whitaker seems too high compared to a bunch of the fighters in his tier and the one below. Cokes too, probably.
     
  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Mayweather seems too high by your criteria too. I don't see how he belongs above Hearns based on the quality of their wins at 147 (and Hearns should earn points for his fight against Leonard).
     
  14. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    As good and reasonable a welterweight list as I have ever seen,,,it fits to a tee,...and Tier ll is exactly the way I see it.
     
  15. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Griffith is exactly where he should be...in tier 2.