In the '79-'80 time frame Duran would either beat or give the fighters that are going to be listed in upper tiers of this rating a very tough fight. So I would agree...Duran is low. Hearns would do the same...he would likely beat a number of those who are going to be rated above him...and Walker as well...
For the middleweight list, I had guys ranked 40-31 who had beaten guys ranked in the top ten - Lloyd Marshall, Roy Jones, Marcel Cerdan and Randy Turpin all. Other guys like Billy Conn and Mike McCallum could have turned one over at their very best i bet, too.
As far as I can see his only signature win at 147lbs is over a faded Canzoneri, who had no business fighting at welterweight.
Deadly puncher.Check his record. Lots of fights and lots of upsets. Bob Montgomery KO in one. Only 24 yrs old.
A bad move, IMO. Even if he is still regarded as the best of that tier, you're now making him comparable with guys who are clearly inferior as welterweights. With all due respect to the other sugar, their resumes are not remotely on a par. I'd have Robinson alone in tier one and maybe an empty tier just below that, and then in tier three, guys like Armstrong, Leonard etc.
I love bummy davis but that win over Montgomery was at catchweights when davis was still trying to make 135lbs.
id have robinson on his own too. i think the welters who were around in the late 70s early 80s could have their own tier, leonard, hearns, benitez, palomino, cuevas and duran
Montgomery was 10lbs below the welterweight limit for that fight.I don't think Davis was ever ranked higher than number 9 in the Ring.To put him in perspective Armstrong took him out in 2 rds and Zivic beat him twice.
This is what I ended up with. 50 - Simon Brown 49 - Ike Quartey 48 - James McGirt 47 - Benny Paret 46 - Vernon Forrest 45 - Jack Carroll 44 - Joe Dundee 43 - Dave Shade 42 - Paddy Duffy 41 - Young Jack Thompson 40 - Cocoa Kid 39 - Rube Ferns 38 - Billy Smith 37 - Mike Glover 36 - Pipino Cuevas 35 - Carlos Palomino 34 - Wilfred Benitez 33 - Lou Brouillard 32 - Lloyd Honeyghan 31 - Billy Graham 30 - Fritzie Zivic 29 - Shane Mosley 28 - Marlon Starling 27 - Charley Burley 26 - Donald Curry 25 - Pernell Whitaker 24 - Oscar De La Hoya 23 - Young Corbett III 22 - Manny Pacquiao 21 - Carmen Basilio 20 - Roberto Duran 19 - Felix Trinidad 18 - Luis Manuel Rodriguez 17 - Curtis Cokes 16 - Jimmy McLarnin 15 - Barney Ross 14 - Mickey Walker 13 - Jackie Fields 12 - Joe Walcott 11 - Tommy Ryan 10 - Ted Kid Lewis 09 - Floyd Mayweather 08 - Tommy Hearns 07 - Kid Gavilan 06 - Henry Armstrong 05 - Emile Griffith 04 - Jose Napoles 03 - Jack Britton 02 - Ray Leonard 01 - Ray Robinson
I'd swap Oscar and Tito. Oscar beat better guys, be it close, and I thought definitely beat Tito. I think Hearns is too high. He didn't do enough at welter, even if he might've been the best guy to fight there.