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pauliemayweathe · Nov 27, 2008

san rafael said:

What are you stupid?? Have you not seen the fight? The low blow was there on instant replay for all the world to see. Hopkins did exaggerate. Keep harping on silly subplots, Calzaghe cum drinker. That way you can avoid the reality that Joe was made to look a complete fool and was given a gift.
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that is a delusional post///JC was not made to look like a fool...u must be thinking of the pavlik fight.....and i am american and purely neutral

Canibus81 · Nov 27, 2008

IrnBruMan said:

The only 2 poeple who think Hopkins won the fight are you and spam

Tell us all again how Hopkins wuz croozin cuz he knew he was winning tha fight dawg :yep
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That's because this a british website were on and I live in NY, not great Britain. Your very Bias and so is most of the posters on this board. That should just be common sense. But you have none.

scirasco · Nov 27, 2008

dude b hop got a gift u got this **** all twisted the old man hoped for a point deduction he knew he is behind when he took the knee if that ****in coward would have balls to trade joe would cut him up and stop him for good!!!!!:smoke

san rafael · Nov 27, 2008

LiamE said:

Congratulation on a pro Hopkins post without being a ****ing imbecile like l Canisuck or his mutual masturbation partner San Rimofail.

A couple of points though.

Pummeling a guy while fighting at your own pace while nothing comes back is way less tiring than constanly being under attack. There is no way that Hopkins could get any rest in a fight with Joe, just aint gonna happen. Joe has the footwork, stamina, skill and durability to be on Hopkins all night and fact is Hopkins cannot live with Joe's pace. Whether he could of as a younger man is one thing. Now, not a hope.

You also seem to gloss over the adjustments issue. During their fight Joe was the one that adjusted and improved from a shakey start, an ability he has shown many times. What gives you the idea that he couldnt do it again if Hopkins comes in with a different plan? And if Hopkins doesnt come in with a different paln what would suggest that what worked last time for joe wouldnt work again? Dont forget that Joe has the tapes to watch too and is every bit as adept as Hopkins at learning from mistakes.

Given that a rematch would almost certainly be in Wales, without 3 american judges and a ref that allows Hopkins to headbutt, hold and fake low blows all night and that Joe is now obviously more comfortable at the weight than he was and that Joe is very unlikely to give him a nice lead again in the opening rounds I cant see it being Hopkin's night. He's calling Joe out not because he can win but because Joe is the biggest payday out there.
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Yeah, let me duck all of san rafael's points and throw a cowardly insult. Let me duck the subject of SCORING PUNCHES and concentrate on all sorts of theoritical nonsense in an effort to boost my pathetic agenda.

Canibus81 · Nov 27, 2008

MrMagic said:

Scoring is indeed about clean, effective punching and Hopkins landed effective punches at a higher percentage, but he did not land more shots than Calzaghe.
Calzaghe may not have had the majority of his punches land clean and effective on Hopkins chin, but he successfully outworked Hopkins and took the later rounds in the bag with relative ease.

Let's look at the actual punch stat from the fight:

Hopkins - Calzaghe
R1: 4/16 | 7/35
R2: 8/28 | 13/45
R3: 10/45 | 23/70
R4: 7/28 | 16/56
R5: 10/41 | 16/58
R6: 12/33 | 19/58
R7: 12/41 | 24/64
R8: 15/38 | 22/65
R9: 13/41 | 25/61
R10: 14/54 | 23/63
R11: 11/51 | 20/57
R12: 11/52 | 24/75

Now what this actually tells us is that it's a complete myth that Hopkins was slowing down to a stop in the later rounds, but he was EFFECTIVELY outworked by a much fresher Joe Calzaghe.
This is actual facts that we're observing, and it's clearly evident that Hopkins was getting hit more and more as the later round progressed, he was in fact hit with 40% in a few of these rounds, slaps or not they were obviously having an effect because Hopkins did everything to get a few more seconds of breathing time (faking a low blow...).

Well it takes two to tango, and Hopkins was not at all looking to press the action, he was reluctant to engage with Calzaghe to convince the judges he was winning the fight.

Whether you like it or not, whilst maybe landing clean, effective punches he was not nearly doing enough to actually convince the judges that he was winning, and after all.. if he was capable of doing so without taking punishment from Joe Calzaghe he surely would've stepped on the pedal.
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It's also a complete myth that compubox is very accurate. So instead of you looking at the stats try lookin at the fight without the sound.

AJAX · Nov 27, 2008

Rico Spadafora said:

Hopkins has nobody to blame but himself. He fought like John Ruiz with all of the holding, clinching, and grabbing. It was a disgrace.
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exactly, he had Ruiz like clinch numbers in that fight and clinched more then he threw punches, although he didn't get dominated he certainly did not win that fight, his punch output was amongst the lowest of his career

Canibus81 · Nov 27, 2008

Canibus81 said:

Round 1) 10-8 Hopkins
Round2) 10-9 Hopkins
Round3) 10-9 Hopkins
Round4) 10-9 Hopkins
Round5) 10-9 Hopkins
Round6) 10-9 Calzaghe(this round could have gone either way but i'm being generous for Joe cause of the combo at the end of the round)
Round7) 10-9 Hopkins
Round8) 10-9 Calzaghe
Round9) 10-9 Calzaghe
Round10) 10-9 Hopkins
Round11) 10-9 Calzaghe
Round12) 10-9 Calzaghe

Round 9 Hopkins had that round and gave it away towards the end and if you gave the fight a draw and made it even, Calzaghe still loses cause of the knock down.

So there you go, my round by round view of the fight.
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Is this how your scorecard looked 2-gunz?

san rafael · Nov 27, 2008

MrMagic said:

Scoring is indeed about clean, effective punching and Hopkins landed effective punches at a higher percentage, but he did not land more shots than Calzaghe.
Calzaghe may not have had the majority of his punches land clean and effective on Hopkins chin, but he successfully outworked Hopkins and took the later rounds in the bag with relative ease.

Let's look at the actual punch stat from the fight:

Hopkins - Calzaghe
R1: 4/16 | 7/35
R2: 8/28 | 13/45
R3: 10/45 | 23/70
R4: 7/28 | 16/56
R5: 10/41 | 16/58
R6: 12/33 | 19/58
R7: 12/41 | 24/64
R8: 15/38 | 22/65
R9: 13/41 | 25/61
R10: 14/54 | 23/63
R11: 11/51 | 20/57
R12: 11/52 | 24/75

Now what this actually tells us is that it's a complete myth that Hopkins was slowing down to a stop in the later rounds, but he was EFFECTIVELY outworked by a much fresher Joe Calzaghe.
This is actual facts that we're observing, and it's clearly evident that Hopkins was getting hit more and more as the later round progressed, he was in fact hit with 40% in a few of these rounds, slaps or not they were obviously having an effect because Hopkins did everything to get a few more seconds of breathing time (faking a low blow...).

Well it takes two to tango, and Hopkins was not at all looking to press the action, he was reluctant to engage with Calzaghe to convince the judges he was winning the fight.

Whether you like it or not, whilst maybe landing clean, effective punches he was not nearly doing enough to actually convince the judges that he was winning, and after all.. if he was capable of doing so without taking punishment from Joe Calzaghe he surely would've stepped on the pedal.
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Punchstats??? Punchstats??? How about our eyes? Punchstats are completely innacurate. That's a fact. Calzaghe simply did not land enough scoring shots to win. This isn't the amateurs.

MrMagic · Nov 27, 2008

2_gunz said:

lampley was talking about how they had two computers calculating at the same time for the williams margarito fight and both ended up with completely different scores, one said williams threw 1200 and the other 1600punches
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Well no professional boxing fight is decided by compubox stats, it is merely a tool to give us hindsight of what happened in the fight.

san rafael · Nov 27, 2008

pauliemayweathe said:

that is a delusional post///JC was not made to look like a fool...u must be thinking of the pavlik fight.....and i am american and purely neutral
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No need for either one of us to waste our time debating something subjective like how one guy made the other look. Share your opinion, that's all it is.

MrMagic · Nov 27, 2008

san rafael said:

Punchstats??? Punchstats??? How about our eyes? Punchstats are completely innacurate. That's a fact. Calzaghe simply did not land enough scoring shots to win. This isn't the amateurs.
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You bore me man, I am not claiming a Calzaghe victory on these punch stats, but I am convinced that they're somewhat truthful since, if I remember correctly, Hopkins did get outworked in the latter rounds.

LiamE · Nov 27, 2008

san rafael said:

Yeah, let me duck all of san rafael's points and throw a cowardly insult. Let me duck the subject of SCORING PUNCHES and concentrate on all sorts of theoritical nonsense in an effort to boost my pathetic agenda.
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Make a point and I'll answer it cockwad. All you have done in this thread is make yourself look like the **** stain you are.

Canibus81 · Nov 27, 2008

MrMagic said:

You bore me man, I am not claiming a Calzaghe victory on these punch stats, but I am convinced that they're somewhat truthful since, if I remember correctly, Hopkins did get outworked in the latter rounds.
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Well than you shouldn't bring it up than if your not basing it on Punchstat numbers. And your right Hopkins did get outworked the last 2 rounds but all the early rounds he clearly was winning.

Canibus81 · Nov 27, 2008

2_gunz said:

similar, I had 1-7 Bernard Hopkins, 8 was close and controversial but from then on I had calzaghe
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I'm surprised you didn't have Hopkins winning round 10. I thought he won that round convincingly.

pauliemayweathe · Nov 27, 2008

MrMagic said:

You bore me man, I am not claiming a Calzaghe victory on these punch stats, but I am convinced that they're somewhat truthful since, if I remember correctly, Hopkins did get outworked in the latter rounds.
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plus my EYES told me JC won the fight:good

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