Ok. So even though Fury hasn't had a ranked or an uncontroversial win in 18 months, he's a lock... I guess I can see it on the basis he's former champ, but that's about it - I'm not against him moving down. I agree AJ's jumped much higher up the line than his recent wins deserve - on WBC rankings at least he deserved a bump but not quite that big of one. I can only justify Kabayel being boosted more if taking WBC rankings into account - otherwise, I just don't find beating overhyped mediocre fighters super impressive.
I could be wrong but I think it was just a WBC title eliminator. Unfortunately, if it wasn't a final eliminator, it doesn't fill me with confidence of Kabayel getting a shot any time soon. Ruiz Jr. V Ortiz, Wilder v Helenius, and Whyte v Chisora were all WBC title eliminators that went nowhere.
I think that must be the case if they're ranking AJ and Fury above him. I also must have read it on BoxRec. https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php?title=Fight:3144631 Assuming BoxRec is incorrect, I botched that fact in my most recent Heavyweight Ranking video.
He's probably not due for anything too soon. But he has made two big statements on Saudi cards, which leads me to believe he'll continue getting chances. If he continues winning, his big opportunity might come sooner than we may otherwise think.
By not putting other orgs "champs" in their rankings, it makes their rankings a load of BS. Ring have decent rankings but the major orgs are just ridiculous.
I mean, it's fair enough to take BoxRec as accurate information. I would assume they have sources within or close to the WBC. On the other hand, the WBC's publications referred to it as a "title eliminator", and the wording suggests Kabayel has a bit more to do: https://wbcboxing.com/en/kabayel-wins-the-battle-of-the-unbeaten-in-riyadh/ Whereas the WBC tends to use the term "final eliminator" when it is a fight to decide the mandatory challenger: https://wbcboxing.com/en/mandatory-and-elimination-fights-tashkent-2023/ I lean toward BoxRec have made an error though, as too many other sources and the WBC themselves didn't call it a final eliminator. Given their past form, I wouldn't hold your breath regarding the WBC. I am sure he will be given opportunities by the Saudis though. The thing is though, he is being held to a far far higher standard than last WBC mandatories if he has to jump through yet more hoops. Or other Heavyweight mandatories in general this last decade. To me, it looks clearer and clearer that it's money that has both Joshua and Fury above him.
Can some explain why Joyce is anywhere near the top 10 after his recent form? Is it literally because there's no one else to put in his place?
I can kind of understand that one looking through "the WBC lens" (it's murky). Joyce's only losses came to the current WBC#4, Zhang. Also, I assume that Warren paid some sanctioning fees to them when Joyce fought Kash Ali. Before all that, Joyce v Parker was actually WBC#2 v WBC#3 (winning the WBO interim removed him from the rankings). Then factor in they will want to promote the next fight between Joyce and Chisora, and Chisora has always aligned himself with the WBC. Chisora fought Vitali, a WBC eliminator against Whyte, and the WBC even pushed him up the rankings to allow for the Fury defence. So, it's a bit of this, a bit of that.
I would have to agree with you and @Kiwi Casual on that. Whilst I personally don't agree with Fury being #1 due to his recent wins, the WBC kept both Wilder and Stiverne at #1 when they lost the belt. So, I can understand the case for: #1 Fury #2 Kabayel #3 Joshua It makes zero sense beyond financial incentive to have Joshua at #1