6 reasons why Peter would lose even harder to Wlad today

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  1. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Peter is in worse shape today than he was in 2005. When he and Klitschko fought, he was at 243lbs and you could see his abs. He hasn't scaled below 250lbs ever since. 243 was already a bit much although he is one of those physical fighters, but 250 is just too much. To put it shortly, his conditioning was decent but now is ****.

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    A lot of people will point out that his skills have improved a lot. I don't think his skills have improved a lot (he still can't throw a straight right hand), but he did improve indeed.
    However, that's gonna do **** for him against Klitschko. What do you think, he'll outjab him now? He already threw double jabs in their original fight, by the way. Barely any landed. If Peter tries to box with Klitschko, he's gonna look at a one-sided battering. Peter's only chance is to get his big punch in, which is exactly what he tried the first time around. I will say that he does have some good counter punching skills. Often when he gets hit, he's quick to return fire. However, he also did this back in 2005.

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    During their first fight, Peter was undefeated, very confident and fresh. Ever since the Klitschko fight, his chin doesn't seem to be the same anymore. McCline had him down three times and out on his feet. 39 year old Maskaev stunned him twice and put him on the back foot. I'd never seen Peter on the backfoot before.

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    Klitschko on the other hand, is on a long ass winning streak and hasn't dropped more than 3 rounds (none to Byrd, two to Brock, none to Austin, none to Brewster, one to Ibragimov) ever since their fight! His last fight with Sultan was disappointing, no doubt about it, but it was still a dominant performance in which the challenger couldn't do a single thing and was in complete control at any point.

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    Peter has gotten slower. His handspeed is still good, but his footspeed has really decreased. Probably related to his worsened conditioning.

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    All of Peter's top class wins came against opponents who were old men. Toney was 37, McCline was 37 and Maskaev was 39. This made him look less slow and more capable.
     
  2. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Good post

    Peter is far too slow, far too stationary, and too open to right hands and left jabs to beat Wladimir. He would be stopped for the first time in his career, unfortunately. It is essential that Peter drops 10 pounds or so. That would help him a lot, but it's doubtful he'll do it.
     
  3. FibreOptic

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    You got everything about right. You also have to figure that he struggle with McCline, should have lost to Toney the first time, and in his second win against Toney, it was more of what Toney didn't do than what Sam Peter did.
     
  4. NESTORRDEA

    NESTORRDEA Active Member Full Member

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    In All Honesty I Cannot See Any, And I Mean Any, Good Fighter Like Peter Loose To The Mediocre Klitschko.
     
  5. FibreOptic

    FibreOptic Active Member Full Member

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    I think you mean Klit is the good fighter and Peter is mediocre.
     
  6. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Well, it happened in 2005
     
  7. NBT

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    The main reason why a rematch would be a totally different fight is the situation Wlad was in back in 2005. He came back from a shocking defeat against Brewster and many claimed he was finished. So he probably had some mental issues back than and had a lot less confidence back than compared to now were he is on a log dominating winning streak and the clear #1 in the division, which caused him to fight ultra-cautious. Peter on the other hand was an unknow quantity back than, got a lot of hype, I remember talk about him having a bigger punch than Mike Tyson and the best chin in history. Now Peter is thoroughly exposed and he doesn't significantly improve.
     
  8. mr. magoo

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    Well, let's give him a chance. Who knows? He may actually show up in better shape for a fight of greater magnitude such as a Klitschko match,especially given that its a chance to avenge a loss. He's only 27 years old, so for him to improve his conditioning is still an attainable goal at this stage in his career. Like you said, he did improve a little bit since he fought Wlad in 05' and he managed to give him a fight then, so perhaps that little extra polishing may help, not to mention his win over Maskaev may give him a boost in confidence. Wlad is still for the most part in his prime, but he is 32 years old, and didn't exactly have me on the edge of my seat in his last outing. He has been hurt or beaten by men of Peter's calibur or worse, so even though I'll favor Wlad, a win for Peter isn't out of the question.
     
  9. The Hitman

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    Sam Peter will always have a chance in there with Wlad, cause the latter has questions over his chins and Peter has granite fists. But I see a rematch between them looking like Wlad-Brewster, Peter showed himself to be vulnerable against McCline which might tempt Wlad to be a little more cavalier in a rematch when opportunities present themselves.
     
  10. barneyrub

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  11. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    All the above is true, however he seemed rather hesistant against Ibragimov. I don't know if perhaps it was the type of fight that he just couldn't get motivated for, or if maybe he was leary of Ibragimov's south paw stance. He might need to be a bit more aggressive against Peter, especially if Sam shows up in good shape and ready to fight ( not holding my breath though ). I would really like to see this fight happen and preferably sooner than later. There really aren't any other matches in the heavyweight division that I think are better.
     
  12. Marciano Frazier

    Marciano Frazier Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes. Peter has been very shaky in his big fights since Wlad (got a split decision over a blubberingly-fat 37-year-old Toney that most people thought he lost, soundly outpointed an even older Toney in the rematch, got decked three times and barely eeked out a decision over a 37-year-old McCline, went five boring, slow-motion rounds looking sloppy against Maskaev before putting together a string of offense in round six and getting an arguably-premature TKO), while Wlad has been about as dominant as it gets (completely dismantled Byrd, scored a crushing KO over Brock, annihilated Austin, mashed Brewster's face in and won every round, easily outboxed Ibragimov and won a near-shutout). Peter has been just barely escaping with "wins" on his record against old, fat, slow, past-prime fringe-level opponents while Wlad has been absolutely wiping out legitimate prime contenders. I expect Wlad's confidence has gone way up while Peter's has decreased since the last time they fought, and rightfully so, as their performances have plainly shown him to be the superior fighter.

    In a rematch, I expect Wlad to win by KO.
     
  13. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Strange isn't it? Against Peter he was just coming off a knockout loss and was predicted by everyone to be knocked out early. And while he didn't exactly fight aggressive, he got in a ton of right hands.

    Then on the other hand, against Sultan, he just came off three years of pure domination including avenging to loss to Brewster in which he looked as confident as he ever did. Then against Sultan he does **** all. Maybe Sanders still left a mental scar regarding explosive southpaws ?
     
  14. mr. magoo

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    It is bizarre. Although, its not uncommon for even the greatest of champions to look impressive in one fight and then in the very next, have a flat performance. I think the key with Wlad, is the magnitude of the opponent. He seems to rise to the occasion, or so it would appear.

    I think it would be interesting to see him fight Tony Thompson ( his names been thrown around as a possible next fight for Wlad ). Thompson is a rather large hard hitting south paw, who has a fair amount of experience and has never been knocked out. Granted, he's 36 years old, and not rated very high, but he does have some tools that might make him a nasty cocktail for Klitschko.
     
  15. FibreOptic

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    Too bad nothing else will matter in ten years when Peter is flat broke and living in abject poverty!!!