60 years ago today: Charles L. "Sonny" Liston♱ vs. Cassius Marcellus "The Louisville Lip" Clay, Jr.*

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  1. FrankinDallas

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    I can't recall but I do remember my father getting seriously pissed off because he didn't like CLay/Ali.
     
  2. Fogger

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    God bless transistor radios. I got one for my 8th birthday and listened to so many sporting events o it. What a great gift.
     
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  3. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    As a kid I was just thrilled that Clay /Ali won but time and experience (AKA old age) has shown me how unsatisfying the ending of both of his fight with Liston were. If there were online forums like this back then, the haters and conspiracy theorists would have exploded with vitriol.
     
  4. FrankinDallas

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    I wonder...can you buy one now? A new one?
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Purses in 1964:

    Clay $630,000
    Liston $1,365,000

    Adjusted for inflation, current worth in 2024:

    Clay $6,267,829.35
    Liston $13,580,296.94

    (yes, a buck from six decades ago is equivalent to a tenner now)
     
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  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yep, just $10 at Walmart.
     
  7. IntentionalButt

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    Maybe the first one, but the whole anchor punch nonsense would have been quelled by 4k video cameras, slow-mo replays from multiple angles zoomed in, etc.

    The punch connected; it was just quick enough and unexpected enough that dupes of the day thought it couldn't be real.

    As to whether Liston then found a comfy spot on the canvas to fulfill any dive obligations, and the bungling of poor Walcott - that's a whole 'nother ball of wax or two...
     
  8. Boxing_Fan101

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    There's no disputing the phantom punch landed it's just the behaviour of Liston afterwards just flopping back over and Ali going nuts shouting at him to get up surely this is the most evidence to suggest Sonny was faking it
     
  9. IntentionalButt

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    In the day - and for decades after, honestly - there was a lot of discourse focused on Ali supposedly "hitting air". :shakehead:
     
  10. Boxing_Fan101

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    I remember watching a computer recreation of the punch and it clearly landed flush just wasn't really a big knockout blow
     
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  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I'd agree. Knockdown punch, yes... but Liston wanted out IMO. (there was precedent, from 2/25/64)
     
  12. Drew101

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    My hot take is that if the first fight continues for a couple more rounds, we're getting a virtual replay of what happened in Lewiston by round eight. Liston was starting to feel a bit sorry for himself in there and if Clay lands a similar shot by that point I think a similar result occurs.

    (Minus the botched count, hopefully)
     
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  13. IntentionalButt

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    Your take's cool by me, daddyo. :cool:
     
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  14. Guerra

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    I still think Liston quit in the first fight and took a dive in the second.
    Did any heavyweight champ ever quit like Liston did before he did it?
     
  15. IntentionalButt

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    Point of clarification: Sonny was defending all of the following:

    1. The Ring Magazine heavyweight title.
    2. The recognized "Undisputed" heavyweight championship of the post-pioneer and pre-alphabet era (in this case the unified NYSAC & NBA championship), tracing its early 20th century lineage to Jack Dempsey.
    3. The green belt he captured in Patterson II (launching the WBC title lineage now written up to Fury)
      ...and, not defended by Liston as he didn't have it yet but also in the ante:
    4. The inaugural WBA title, which if you ignore the interim/regular/super fragmentation and only recognize the most prestigious of them, is the same title worn today by Usyk.