'68 quarry vrs. '78 holmes

This should be the most unanimous thread on the whole forum

 

Holmes on cuts in 7 or 8 rounds. Quarry would have some moments and maybe hurt Holmes but Larry was a slashing puncher. A better version of Ellis. Bigger with more pop in his jab.

 

Jerry had trouble with speed and could be erratic, however he had a very good right hand and some boxing skills....Holmes may have had one of the best jabs in the division and this could be a problem but Quarry also had an excellent right hand and some good skills.....Larry would be tested

 

Holmes beats that cracka like he stole something, doesn't go more than 10 rounds.

 

Now if there really was a problematic cult of crazy Quarry fantics, this thread would have more people picking him to win.

But I guarentee there are probably some crazies that would pick Tua, Ibeabuchi, or Razor Ruddock to walk through Holmes.

 

It would be as one-sided as Holmes-Cobb, but wouldn't last as long.

 

Jerry's best win against a tall mobile jabber was over another, much lesser Larry, Middleton in Wembley, and JQ had a lot of early trouble with the 6'5" Middleton's reach.

Holmes is completely wrong for JQ, and this would either be a lopsided decision or a cut stoppage.

Because Jerry was primarily a counter puncher, my guess is that he might try to draw Holmes forward. That didn't work for Jerry in Ali II, and it didn't work for Ocasio and Snipes against Holmes [aside from Renaldo's 'lightning in a bottle right," Holmes shut him out].

As highly as I regard Jerry, he's just not going to be able to be competitive here, no matter what he tries.

 

Doubtful. Quarry had tools and ability that Cobb didnt possess. His hands were quicker and he was just a better fighter all the way around than Tex Cobb. Quary would give a good account of himself.

 

I agree ,Quarry would be lucky to win a round in a short fight that sees him stopped because of facial damage.

 

Yes, Jerry was much quicker, far more skilled, and had vastly superior punching power to Cobb.

However, Tex possessed much better staying power and all around punch resistance. He was not a bleeder [how Jerry was stopped four times], nor did his eyes tend to swell up [neither did JQ's]. Cobb absorbed some monstrous body shots from Shavers, while Frazier produced the final knockdown of his career with a hook to the body which sank Jerry to a knee.

Best for best, JQ would take a handy decision over Tex, possessing mobility the similarly quick fisted Dokes did not. 1978 Holmes is a different matter though. Getting to Larry would be difficult, and the results not worth it when he did connect. Left jab and right cross boxing basics from long range could well see cuts inflicted on both of Jerry's eyes.

Even if no facial damage was inflicted though, JQ's 6 foot height, 72 inch reach, and left hook orientation, would make it difficult to break through to a long range stylist the caliber of Holmes, who wasn't left hook susceptible. Jerry's right could be devastating against a Bodell as a counter shot, but Larry had a vastly superior chin, and how many countering opportunities would he offer JQ? Frazier was hit by Jerry's right with some frequency early on, yet wasn't even marked, let alone dented. Mac Foster was probably JQ's best stoppage against a HW who may have had top shelf punch resistance, but he did need to outlast Mac and break him down.

A big, slower, stamina compromised come forward slugger like Foreman might have been tailor made for JQ, who could get him to miss and make him pay at mid range. Holmes, on the other hand, could be about as bad a contrast in style and quality as Jerry might be offered. A win over a guy like Terrell [who was inactive in 1968] might make me feel a little better about JQ's ability to compete more against a tall jabber, but there's simply little evidence aside from his 1974 decision over the troublesome Middleton to go on.

 

While I'm not sliding into the Devil's Advocate seat, I think the '68 Quarry would be much faster and capable than the general picture most carry of him from the early to mid 70's performances. The latter would probably get paintbrushed as a flatfooted brawler. The former would be a much livelier and capable underdog. I'm not completely sold on the '78 era Holmes either as a full representation of his best either.

 

Because JQ-Mathis is not available for review, the best we have to go on is JQ-Spencer, where Jerry surprises most first time viewers with his mobility and defensive elusiveness. I think he may already have been slightly past it with Mac Foster, where he took a lot of shots he made Spencer miss.

Larry's left arm was compromised entering his classic with Norton, but he took 34 of 36 minutes in his Shavers I coming of age, produced the definitive one punch knockout of his career against a much more experienced Evangelista [now in the midst of his first EBU HW Title reign] than the 14-1-1 novice who challenged Ali with only one scheduled ten rounder behind him. He hammered Ocasio into the ground with virtually his jab alone, and almost produced a ten count with with that initial jab inflicted knockdown. [Jaws had to really struggle to beat the count at nine.]

I do tend to favor the 1982 Holmes with Eddie Futch a little bit over the Ritchie Giachetti coached 1978 version, as Futch taught him to stop lifting his left leg before throwing his right, so he was no longer telegraphing it. But his jab never looked harder than it did on Ocasio.

 

Holmes dominates fight and probably stops Quarry on cuts in 8 or less.

 

I think its a rare 100% so far for Larry over Quarry.

 

No way prime Jerry beats prime Larry. Biggest reason? Jerry could get thru some great jabbers but when you talk ATG jabbers he's toast. Heck, Chuvalo was jabbing him rather effectively. Best case scenerio for Quarry? He doesn't cut and shows himself somewhat admirably in a lop-sided UD loss. Plus, as a previous poster mentioned, Jerry NEVER had numbing KO power and Larry has as resilient a chin as anyone. Simply too much chin and moxie for Jerry to do any serious trouble. Yes this is one of those 100% all for Larry threads IMO.