7 Questions to Klitschko Fans

Tyson vs. Spinks was an all-American fight and Tyson was already a huge star at that point. The fight didn't need selling, just like, say, Mayweather vs. De La Hoya II wouldn't need selling.

Nah, they could sell it in 3 months if they wanted to.

That quote doesn't really mean anything in relation to what I said. Like I said, the fight was possible in May but only if Klitschko fought over here.

No..like Haye and Booth said, ironically admited liars.

We can assume that Wlad, like all fighters, has a perfectly designed training routine for each fight, which happens to be a 10+ week camp. Unless you're saying he's goes into every fight with poor preparation, we can assume it is illogical that he'd change for the biggest fight of his career.

We could assume the same thing about Vitali before last year and we would have been wrong.


Of course it took him a long time to accept 50/50 but so it should! Why didn't Wlad accept the rightful figure, less than 50%? He brings less than 50% to the table so he should take away less.

It shouldn't take him a long time if he's closing his own window. And I'm sure everyone in England would be buying just to see David Haye grace them with his presence. **** the fight...look at those abs.


If Haye can accept less than he deserves, why didn't Klitschko accept a fee he actually deserves? Surely you'd concede that Haye did more to make the fight?



What is the reason? And please don't say "because Haye is scared" or whatever. Vitali is the only one who can make the fight happen right now, yet he isn't doing anything.

I think if Haye was confident he could complete such a task he would have accepted the Vitali fight so long ago, and not pubically bitched about money and "slave contracts."

At any rate..get real. Both Wlad and Haye want this fight, you would be hard pressed to prove otherwise. Though I put the majority of the blame on Haye for it not happening as I stated above.

 

haye agreed to everything this time around, wlad was taking the **** trying to call haye's bluff and be able to call haye a coward for pulling out of the negotiations.

wlad wanted 50/50 uk ppv, he got it.
wlad wanted the fight in germany, he got it.
wlad wanted his name on top of all promo's etc he got it.
wlad wanted to come out last in the ring walk, he got it.
wlad wanted to fight out of the red corner, he got it.
wlad did not want to fight anywhere else other than germany cos wlad wanted a german doctor, he got it.
wlad wanted to pick his own gloves, he got it.
wlad DIDNT want haye to bow to all of his demands, he didnt get it!

wlad then thinks **** haye really wants to fight me he is not all talk like me, ohh i think ill just fight del boy chisora instead then eh david.

for this fight to happen wlad would also want his DAD to be the ref, and 3 members of wlads family to be the judges.

SHOCKING STATE OF AFFAIRS FROM THE SO CALLED CHAMP!

 

It's funny because all the pro-Haye guys are from the UK... The Brits are coming out in insane numbers to try to justify this, justify that, call this "FACT", call that "NUTHUGGER"... they are really embarrassing themselves by putting stock in the words of the biggest ***** (promoters and Freddie Roach aside) in the sport.

 

Haye because he is not as popular as Khan can't fight until July 2nd. He needs to be a man and fight Vitali Klitschko.

 

Given that both sides have an agenda my prior would be to treat everything that only one of them says as a lie.

At the moment, all I'm 100% sure of is that they were negotiating a fight, Klitschko announced the Chisora fight, Haye came out with statements to the effect that the fight is off. For all we know, what we're now witnessing could be part of hype building, or them trying to get into each other's head.

Why does it matter (even if true...)?

If you assume Klitschko is to blame, which you may or may not do, he could have easily proposed a September fight and then announced a Chisora fight eight weeks ahead of that, right? Outcome would have presumably been the same, making this a mute point.

Clearly, it's possible to argue this both ways. Big picture, promoted optimally or not the fight would have been huge.

As regards the details, most if not all of the promo materials could be shot anyplace & anytime - i.e. the thing that would be affected would be press conferences etc. three and four months ahead of the fight. Of course the publicity surrounding Wlad's fight with Chisora could have been used to offset that... I won't claim to know which is more important, but am not convinced it matters.

If your theory is that Wlad wanted to duck Haye at some point, then the answer to your question (conditional on the statement being true) doesn't really matter. They could have agreed to May and Wlad could have played the Chisora card ahead of that. Same outcome.

Two in one here:
i) It is unusual but, arguably, works in Haye's favour.
ii) Does this make sense? There's a fairly clear trade-off here: possibly somewhat worse / unusual camp vs getting in Haye's head (sending a signal he doesn't take him too seriously)... Ultimately, Wlad has all the info on the likely "conditioning" cost and since he seems to have drilled pretty deep into Haye's head, I'd be inclined to argue that it probably does...

We don't know if he did accept every demand. Haye and his trainer have mentioned a few demands (some really trivial) that they allegedly accepted.

One simple answer to your question - which is conditional on Haye not wanting to fight - is that, in such a case, he would have presumably tried to make Wlad look guilty for the fiasco of the negotiations. If he was ultimately planning not to sign the contract, the more he agreed to, the more guilty Wlad would look... I.e. he could have agreed to a clause saying he'd fight with his hands tied behind his back - if he wasn't signing, it would never matter anyway!

See above.

If I read Haye's statement correctly, he said he's done with the Klitschko's. That's plural, not singular...

To answer your question, I think Vitali could ask for permission. Would that make the fight any more likely? I don't know... They could still fight after their compulsory defenses, right?

At this point, I've got two questions in return:

1) Assuming Haye really wanted this fight so much, why didn't he just sign the contract? If he's sure Wlad won't be in the ring on the agreed date (which he seems to be), he can keep on planning his career as if the Wlad fight wasn't going to happen (and wait for a humiliating last minute pull-out from Wlad). Surely that would be a much better strategy, that proves the Klitschko = coward point much more convincingly than Haye not signing the contract and crying how he was mistreated...

2) If Klitschko really didn't want the fight why did he bargain so hard? Surely a much better strategy would have been to agree to all of Haye's demands (yep we really wanted the fight) combined with a last minute injury...

I don't claim to have an answer to all of these. I think the most plausible one is both brothers acting as a team and Wlad setting Haye up for a Vitali fight (and showing him the finger in the process). If Vitali wins the autumn fight with Haye, then the problem is solved. Should he loose I'm sure Haye could be lured out of retirement for a revenge fight with Wlad, which would be absolutely huge... Anyway, this is pure speculation.

 

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You havent got a leg to stand on in this argument

 

oh man those are such HUGE concessions to make when you're the one challenging for the title. A champion coming out second and getting the red corner and the fight in their home? What a ***** he is to ask for such things.

 

Considering Haye wants 6-7 months to promote a fiight maybe now would be the right time to reach out to Vitali to discuss a showdown in September/October?

 

You're ****ing kidding, aren't you? They had a SIGNED contract and Haye was too good to honor that.

 

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Yes. You are an American ******!

And also a **** by the look of things.