True, but Ortiz has made some weird career decisions from not fighting Ustinov to make himself mandatory for a record payday to choosing to fight Wilder instead of waiting for his shot against Joshua, which would of been more lucrative. Personally I don't think the Joyce fight ever happens. There simply isn't enough money in it, both are non draws, it's obviously a risky fight, Joyce was paid less than his last opponent, that's how little he draws and how hard he' finding it to get opponents to fight him. Unless Joyce agrees to fight Ortiz for peanuts that's the only way it happens.