70's Foreman versus Emanuel Steward trained Wladimir klitschko

After speeding thru various troll posts (and some decent ones) i arrived at this. Nice one, very balanced and notably deeper than anyone else can dig. I will say tho, i put up clips of Foreman slipping and ducking numerous Norton punches, mostly left hooks!!!

Happy New Year, hopefully you can find time fore the odd post here and there this year again old mate!

 

Cheers Johnny, it's always nice to get a nod from you. Happy New Year mate. I've had a bit of a resurged interest these last few weeks so might pipe up more often than I have done lately.

 

Spot On.

The Classic section is funny sometimes. While I get remembering the old fighters and showing respect to them… I also think a lot of the guys in the classic section write off both Klitschkos way too much.

“OHH SMOKIN JOE WOULD BULLDOZE WLAD!!”

“OHH MY GTFOH!!! LEWIS WOULD GIVE PRIME WLAD THE GRANT OR GOLOTA TREATMENT!!!!”

“VITALI QUIT AGAINST BYRD!!! HE’D GET HIS MANHOOD TAKEN FROM HIM BY LOUIS!!!!!”

It just really gets stupid sometimes. REALLY stupid. lol! Respect to the old fighters absolutely!! But the dismissive attitude towards great champions like both Klitschkos or even the disrespect of their past opponents to play proxy wars like The Sniper Corrie Sanders (RIP) is where it gets extremely cringe.

But Wlad by KO in round 6. George would be dangerous obviously. Would probably rattle Wlad a few times by catching him here and there. But Prime Wlad knew how to deal with that. He’d get through it, work his jab, mix in that hook to confuse younger George and start landing the 1-2. Would look similar to the 2nd Peter fight with George being more competitive but similar outcome.

 

I think people forget how complete a fighter Wlad was. He learnt something from every moment in the ring and his physical attributes and boxing brain are nigh on unmatched. A big man, incredibly athletic, incredibly powerful with a gameplan that meant he would hit and not get hit. He is almost, in character, a modern day Tunney, professorial in comparison to his more crude contemporaries.

People say George cut off the ring and cite Ali having to go to the ropes. Ali had to go to the ropes because he was in decline. Late sixties Ali would have did what Ali did and beat Foreman as he pleased. Wlad is too big, accurate and powerful to be walked back to the ropes, too shrewd to be two handed like the much smaller Frazier was and too technically gifted to get caught more than once or twice by a crude slugger like Young George. One of THE best crude slugger, don't get me wrong, but crude nonetheless. I've taken some plaudits and some knocks for suggesting this before, but I think old George was a better boxer than young George and would stop his younger self. I also think Holmes, Holyfield, Liston, Lewis all best young Foreman on his best night. I can't envisage Wlad having to go deep here, jist another night at the office for the big man....

 

I agree with that. His jab was much more educated, his defence was better, his chin was better and he wasn't gassing his ass out trying to kill guys. He also wasn't doing that dumb dehydration stuff. Unfortunately he never was the fastest guy and he became downright glacial in his comeback. If he'd kept his speed he'd have been fearsome indeed.

 

Exactly. I have said the same regarding Second career George. Especially when people start actually hacking on Morrison for his best win being “A past it old George Foreman” lol That “Past it old” George KOed Michael Moorer just a year later and also gave Holyfield a hell of a scrap. BEAT Briggs too. Don’t care what anyone says. Old George’s chin was granite. Better than the young crude George. Not sure how he managed that either! lol Maybe neck exercises or just being more zoned in and alert in his second career to see the shots coming better… not sure.

Bottom line is Wlad had the power to KO anyone. And if not KO them with one shot… he sure as **** is capable of hurting any HW in history and eventually finishing them. He was a very good finisher. All it takes is one quick lead left hook like the Chambers KO or Mercer flooring and George wouldn’t know what town he was in. If Lyle could do it… Wladimir could do it better.

 

So what do we have here.
A very smart ATG Puncher against a guy with a suspect chin who has been knocked
down at least 12+ or more times in his career Which sets a record for knockdowns
by Heavyweight Champions where I believe even
Floyd Patterson was knocked down less often i think.

But of course Vladimir the technical box wizard will find a way...but probably not.....


Foreman by KO2

 

Foreman was a low IQ fighter in the 70s. I’m not sure who exactly you’re referencing.

 

He fell for Ali's rope-a-dope tactic, that's true, but the way he boxed was clever. Lured his opponents into traps and when they thought they were safe because his long punches missed, he suddenly switched to short punches , short uppercut etc. in the same way Zhang is currently doing or Bakole. His jab was also very effective.

For me, low IQ punchers are guys like Earnie Shavers but not Foreman.

In this Video by Rummys Corner , Emanuel Stwart talks very high about Foremans IQ which says quite a lot.

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Could go either way. If the referee allowed Foreman to use his forearms and shove Wlad around and mitigate the clinching then I think Foreman would land a wide shot during some awkward moment like he did to many of his other 70s opponents. Wlad would have the size, technical advantages and have power to match Foreman. Both could end the fight with power but Wlad would be winning with his jab and clinching. I think it comes down to the rules for me--can Wlad clinch excessively? Can Foreman shove, stiff arm and grapple in his way? It's a good fight.

 

I think Wlad's chin is driving the bias, honestly. Ask yourself, is Foreman more likely to survive a bomb from Wlad than Wlad is to survive a bomb from Foreman?

 

Foreman in the 1970s had no head movement, less than world class stamina/pacing, and could only fight in one direction. He lacked versatility and got badly exposed by Ali and Young and halfway exposed by Peralta and Lyle.

 

If Fury and Peter (rematch especially) failed to shove Wlad around, I wouldn't count on Foreman to do it.

 

No.

 

They both shoved Wlad around. Wlad couldnt move fury back and inch and he fled around the ring to survive Sam Peter.
He got rabbit punched because he was turning his back.
There is no lie here which is why you'll respond with something smart alekey.
Facts is a guy who had to clinch like crazy to survive Peter and was blasted out by Brewster isn't surviving foreman.