70s George Foreman vs Frank Bruno & Razor Ruddock

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  1. superman1986

    superman1986 Active Member banned Full Member

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    Here's how I see it

    Foreman would not have the size advantage plus be against two men who could punch.

    Vs Bruno

    Bruno had all of the physical tools to win this, but I don't think he'd have the mental tools. If he came out like Ron Lyle, things could get interesting. Instead, I think Bruno would have been very tentative and tried to cautiously box. Now, in a pure, civilized Marquee of Queensbury boxing match, I can definitely see Bruno winning. After all, Bruno did have some success outboxing Lennox Lewis.

    But Foreman, especially a younger Foreman, wouldn't have let Bruno box. Instead, Foreman would have turned this into a brawl. Where he would shine. I think, Foreman's worse case scenario would be taking a knockdown or being badly staggered, but still stopping Frank Bruno in the mid rounds.

    Ruddock, IMO, would have been more dangerous than Bruno. When he wanted to, he could move well for a big man. And in my opinion, had one punch power comparable to Foreman's. For instance, Dokes and Smith weren't the most top tier of opponents, but they were big, durable super heavyweight sized heavyweights. And Ruddock rendered them completely unconscious.

    Since Foreman was relatively easy to hit, he'd have to be careful just trying to plow into Ruddock. Pre- Tyson, Ruddock showed a very good chin. And had the stamina to go 12 rounds.

    Now, Lyle lost to Foreman precisely because he gassed out before Foreman did. Ruddock wouldn't have that problem.

    Which means:

    Foreman would have to stop Ruddock early. It would be a must.

    So I will say Foreman early by KO/TKO, Ruddock late by KO/TKO

    Even though he rates higher in legacy, I can't say for certain H2H if Foreman would be able to blow out a power puncher that is 10 to 20 lbs bigger and has approximate levels of punching power.
     
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  2. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Both make it a war. Both lose that war.

    I feel that Bruno would give Foreman the tougher fight.
     
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  3. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Both men have there moments early on but a 70 s George is to much for em both. Neither gets past the fifth.
     
  4. superman1986

    superman1986 Active Member banned Full Member

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    Why so?
     
  5. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    George stops both...Doesnt matter that both are bigger too much emphasis is put on how big people are here. George hits much harder than both and has a better chin than both. Not to mention that Bruno is starting to get way overrated on this forum.
     
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  6. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Did Foreman fight anyone with power who was bigger than him during his first go? The only fighter with similar power to his own was Lyle and that was a back and forth burner.

    Ruddock and Lyle are same level heavies with similar careers.
     
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  7. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    He's the better boxer. Ruddock wasn't much of a boxer type. I think Ruddock would get baited into an exchange with Foreman which would be his undoing.
     
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  8. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We all saw how both Bruno and Ruddock fared when they fought someone with power, Foreman would batter them senseless.........
     
  9. superman1986

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    Bruno was a solid top rated contender of the 80s and 90s with good boxing skills for a world class level. Sure, I won't be wowing my great grandkids in the year 2067 with tales of the unstoppable Frank Bruno, but I will be able to tell them that he was one of the solid heavyweight contenders of my youth.

    Just like say Buddy Baer was a solid contender when my grandfather was a boy.
     
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  10. superman1986

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    That's true as well. The Lyle fight is why I think Razor Ruddock would be particularly formidable and to a lesser extent, Frank Bruno against George Foreman.

    Lyle engaged Foreman in a slugfest and came dangerously close to stopping him. In fact, one can seriously argue that the chief reason why Lyle lost was because he gassed out. Another round or two and Foreman likely would have been counted out.
     
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    As I said, I think Foremans worst case scenario against Bruno would be a knockdown or being visibly rocked, but still stopping him. However, while George Foreman was the better fighter, Bruno was the better boxer. For instance, a younger Foreman could never hope to outbox Lewis the way Frank Bruno did, Foreman would have to attempt a blitz in order to have a chance at success.

    The thing with Razor Ruddock would be that he'd have to starch him early, while still being cognizant of Ruddock's own power, because he could hurt Foreman and Foreman wasn't exactly the poster boy of what we think about when thinking "defensive wizard". Foreman, would in fact, be the anti- James Toney.

    It's just that if we're talking about Ruddock at or near his prime, his chin may have been tough enough to make it the couple extra rounds that Ron Lyle didn't have the wind for.

    Put it this way, if forced to make a choice on the spot if they were fighting tomorrow night, I'd pick Foreman by KO.

    But I wouldn't be shocked at the upset.

    On a side note, imagine a 70s George Foreman with James Toney or Roy Jones Jr skills. Jesus Christ.....
     
  12. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    I'll start out by saying Foreman showed tremendous heart and perseverance by coming off the deck twice to out last Lyle. And this was a full year after the utter embarrassment in Zaire. Psychologically, Foreman might be more fragile than Tyson. But both men had similar situations in their most intense comeback bouts after losing the title. Foreman with Lyle and Tyson with Ruddock.

    Realistically, if Foreman-Lyle was fought in the late 80's or later, the referee stops it at the end of 3 in Lyle's favor. Plus the bell might've saved Foreman as well. Fate would have it that George Foreman would get his hand raised that day.
     
  13. SHADAPBLAD

    SHADAPBLAD Viscous Knockouts Full Member

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    70s foreman with the speed and reflexes of roy? And the inside fighting of james toney? Hed be banned from boxing
     
  14. lloydturnip

    lloydturnip Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I wondered at the time if a Bruno v foreman Would happen maybe 92 ish .Bruno was huge 17 odd stone of solid muscles with a ramrod jab and one punch power. foreman18 stone of destruction also with a massive jab and huge punching power would of been a awesome fight.Could of called it bombs away ! .
     
  15. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thing is neither Bruno nor Rudduck could really FIGHT. Neither were ever able to win the worlds championship. Foreman is an ATG hwt so at a much higher level. Bruno would be destroyed. He did not have the mentality to do battle with such a physical, devastating puncher as Foreman. Foreman KO 3. Rudduck had nothing aside his left hook/uppercut. That's not the punch to hit George with. A one trick pony. Foreman KO 5.