71 years ago: Joseph Louis "Brown Bomber" Barrow vs. Arnold Raymond "Jersey Joe Walcott" Cream II

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    This very day, in 1948.

    This episode of "The Way It Was" - featuring both principals as well as play by play man Don "The Voice of Boxing" Dunphy - aired on April 3, 1977...reaching more than halfway across the yawning chasm of time now elapsed since they fought:
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    (42 years ago, but already then seemed a "classic from the vault" blast from the past when it premiered 29 years after Louis vs. Walcott II)

    This was just a month shy of Joe's fourteenth anniversary since his pro debut...and 2½ months shy of Cream's eighteenth. Both fought hammer & tong, like they were still hungry up & comers. It would arguably be the last great performance from each man, with Louis going 8-2 in the rest of his career and Walcott just 7-5. Overcoming having been dropped by this foe thrice (and with a bit of controversy around his SD victory in '47), the "Immortal Joe Louis" found a way to dig down deep and do what immortals do - marshaling all his skills and ultimately triumphing via sheer will. If he retired on this high point he would have just the one avenged loss, and his legacy as the GOAT would be harder to dispute.

    Here is Joe, thirteen years earlier:
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    ...and JJW cleaned up quite nicely himself:
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    Two classy ambassadors for the sport, who, along with Floyd Patterson form a group that if not quite underrated (as you'd be hard-pressed to apply that adjective to any consensus ATG, besides perhaps Mike Tyson...:sisi1 But that's a whole kettle of fish to be saved for another thread, another day...) do get subjected to some harsh retrospective treatment, IMO excessively so, in terms both of their 'meek' personalities (unfairly held up to a brashly confrontational standard perceived as being established by fellow African-American heavyweight greats like Ali, Johnson, and Liston and their punch resistance (having thirteen stoppage losses betwixt them, albeit spread over 204 bouts...with the pair of Louis & Walcott specifically bearing eight in 140...) - as though flush bombs from Abe Simon, Max Schmeling or Ingemar Johansson aren't potentially going to switch off any human being's lights on a given night... or from, of all people, Rocky Marciano aren't going to crumble anyone fully a decade past their prime... :nusenuse:
     
  2. White Trunks Black Trim

    White Trunks Black Trim Member banned Full Member

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    Quality post. A good bio on Louis is "The Great Black Hope", by Richard Bak.
     
  3. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    This rematch shows that you couldn't afford to slip up against Joe for even a second. Beautiful puncher and technician.
     
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  4. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    You mean Brown Bomber

    Even you think Joe and Wilder are VERY VERY similar! :aplastao::borra2::ARMS1::ARMS1:
     
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  5. White Trunks Black Trim

    White Trunks Black Trim Member banned Full Member

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    Good catch on that part. However, Wilder couldn't carry Louis' jock. Not as a fighter, not as a person.
     
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  6. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Point of information...he wasn't known as the "bronze bomber".
     
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  7. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Make it Smokin' Joe Louis then... ;)

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  8. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    My grandfather was at the schmeling rematch. Sharp guy...he dashed out and resold his ticket to one the mob outside saying Louis was getting murdered and he was leaving for he couldn't bear to watch!!
     
  9. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    I would've gone with the Dutch Sonny Liston, but I think you've got me beat.

    Speaking of names, it really would've been entertaining had Walcott stuck with Arnold Cream
     
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  10. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    :lol:
     
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  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Goddamn MOTHERFUCKING autocorrect. :mad:
     
  12. cslb

    cslb Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My best friend's dad was a big-time numbers man in Detroit back in the day and used to hang with Louis and Robinson. He had photos of them together. He said Louis was mean as hell and that Louis being quiet was a front.
     
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  13. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Colts fans made the mistake with Marvin Harrison, thinking he was a great guy because he was quiet :lol:
     
  14. cslb

    cslb Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My friend's dad also said that Louis was screwing Sonja Henie, the famous figure skater, but it was kept under wraps for her reputation sake.
     
  15. Oneirokritis

    Oneirokritis The Scourge of Stupid Idiots. Full Member

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