'73 George Foreman vs. '88 Mike Tyson

Shhhhhh. The dummy doesn't need to know that.

 

Foreman's clubbing punches definitely could have taken out Tyson.. But what's being ignored here is that Foreman had terrible defense in the 70's... The cross armed method of the 90's was not in place yet. He was very easy to hit for an opponent who could actually fight back and not wilt the first time he was hit.. This isn't exactly a good thing to be going in against a fast handed slugger with one punch power, lethal combinations and the ability to either block or slip punches then counter. Unlike joe Frazier, Mike Tyson was a TWO handed fighter who knock men out with both hands. And unlike Frazier, Tyson's chin was more proven.. One can argue all day that Foreman hit harder than Smith, Bruno, Ruddock, Nat king cole, whoever....But the fact that Mike's chin stood up to those guys is a hell of a lot more than Frazier, Norton or even Foreman for that matter ever did...His chin was probably better tested than any of the above mentioned guys and while I don't think it means he could take Foreman's power ALL NIGHT, its certainly plausible that he could take it for the 3 or 4 rounds that he'd need for his window of opportunity to reek his havoc on George.. Stamina isn't an issue of terrible relevance given that Tyson vs Foreman isn't going into the late rounds.. And even if it did, who would that really favor? Tyson won approximately 6 fights that went 10 or beyond... Foreman of the 70's won perhaps two and both were against unranked opposition.. Tyson was momentarily stunned by Frank Bruno - a man with about a 99% KO average.. So what? Foreman was stunned, staggered, battered and dropped by Ron Lyle who was more of a boxer puncher and who most of his best wins came via decision. And had the bell not sounded to end the fourth round, its very conceivable that George might have been KTFO. Look at the Lyle fight... Look at how Foreman is keeping his guard down while lackadaisically following lyle around the ring.. Look at how he throws winging shots while keeping his face and body unprotected... That's almost certain death against a fighter like Tyson... And as for shoving, pushing and bullying Tyson around as he did against Fraizer?? Tyson weighed about as much as 70's George did with arguably as much or more muscle and unlike Foreman was well accustomed to wrestling with 6'5", 230 lb giants.. How does he get bullied around?? Will Foreman have a sledge hammer in one hand and a baseball bat in the other? Okay, okay.. So how about the Douglas loss? We sure as hell can't have a Tyson discussion with mentioning the almighty Tokyo Douglas.. I mean hell if Douglas could do it, then Danny Partridge surely would have pulled it off.. Or would he? The last time I checked, George Foreman wasn't a tall rangy boxer who used his reach to Jab away at an opponent all night long over 10 rounds.. And Do we really see George Foreman changing the entire dynamic of his game to execute such a plan?? And assuming we're talking about the BEST versions of these guys, then I expect we won't be seeing the Tyson who's entire original camp had either been fired or was deceased, not to mention having legal problems outside the ring, had been floored in sparring by Greg Page and had only seen 93 seconds of actual ring action in the previous year...

 

But at least I actually knew what it meant.

 

Wrong again, dummy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvJ_JR-bFyo

 

Nice to see you again man. I haven't been here in a while.

 

Frazier's chin wasn't as proven as Tyson? Just one word: Manila. And that argument turns to dust. Tyson didn't weigh as much as Foreman and had no where near his strength. Sorry. I can't believe you just tried to argue Tyson's chin was more proven that Foreman. Who only went down twice. Lyle hit harder than anyone Tyson faced. As did Liston. Foreman got up twice against Lyle. He took ****ey's shots without going down. Tyson couldn't get up against Douglas

 

And you should leave again, for a while

 

I can see you haven't changed much. No need to be so rude man. Chill out.

 

Tyson gets Frazierd or Foreman gets Berbicked.

If this fight goes into the later rounds, who wins?

 

:good

Great post.

If Foreman doesn't get Tyson out of there very early in the fight, he would be in trouble.

 

Ali was a great fighter but he was not a big puncher. Norton also took Ali's best shots, but look what happened when he faced big punchers.

1973 Foreman weighted in the 220's, only 5-10 lbs. more than prime Tyson.

Foreman went down more than twice - Jimmy Young and Ali both dropped him, although admittedly, both knockdowns happened when Foreman was gassed. Lyle had him badly hurt, on the verge of getting stopped.

If Tyson can survive long enough to the point that Foreman gasses, look out.

 

Shut up, and go cry somewhere else

 

Well said.

People forget, prior to the Bruno fight, Tyson had his longest layoff at the time of approx 8 months, not to mention the legal trouble, divorce, car accident and medication (something that is rarely mentioned), Givens and her mom had Tyson prescribed with manic depressives which he was forced to take. Tyson himself hated them and said they made him drowsy.

People keep comparing Tyson to Frazier need to realise the two had very little in common. Frazier rushed ahead and tried to mow down whatever stood in his way, Tysons peek a boo style was more based on patience, waiting for the opponent to throw, make them miss and then unleash hell on them. All the while staying low to take away the taller fighters power.

If this goes past 6 I'm picking Tyson, as he showed he could win fights that go the distance AND he could stand toe to toe with a puncher like Ruddock even in the 12th round.

Foreman was nearly put to sleep by Lyle.

Foreman was in a similar position vs Lyle as Tyson was vs Ruddock.

Both men had lost their titles in shocking upsets, both men were on the comeback trail. Foreman took time off to recover whereas Tyson jumped in with Tillman and then Stewart.

Foreman looked much more vulnerable against Lyle than Tyson did vs Ruddock. But if anyone believes Lyle was better than Ruddock be my guest.

 

How many of you are outright picking Tyson to win this though ?
I'd pick Foreman outright, no "ifs" required.

 

Well, you'd be backed by idiots like Swagfool who can't argue his way out of a wet paper bag with scissors in his hands. All the arguments in Foreman's favor go something lie this, "Tyson sukks. He can't fight going backwards. Foreman will push the s h i t out of him. Foreman would stand up to Tyson and knock him out in 1 round. Frazier, Frazier, Frazier!"

P i s s poor arguments in Foreman's favor. Always has been.