'74 Ali vs '86 Tyson...

1986 Tyson is a little too green for this Ali, and I'd bet on the greatest stopping him in the late rounds or schooling him to 12 round victory. Tyson was still deadly enough in both hands this early in his career and he probably hurts Ali and drops him in this matchup. Tyson brings the Frazier element. Shorter stature, head movement and continual body shots. The difference is Frazier is tougher, has more heart and his left hook was a sharper punch than Tyson. Iron Mike's right hand is miles better than Frazier's but it wouldn't be as effective against Ali like Joe's left hook was.

 

this is a tough one...i lean towards ali but only just. i typically rate 67 ali as the best heavyweight h2h, followed by 87 tyson.

ali 74 is MUCH farther removed from his prime than 86 tyson but then again, as was pointed out by tommy, he hits harder and takes a better shot than in 67. I see tyson leading with combos and putting ali in some serious trouble until the latter stages where ali takes him deep and drowns him.

 

Tyson had impressive quickness,timing and power,but has absolutely nothing on his resume that would indicate that he would have beaten Muhammed.Simple question:Just who did Tyson beat?Muhammed stood up to the punches of Frazier,Foreman,Shavers,Norton,Lyle and Liston without being knocked out or stopped and was only knocked down by Joe in Muhammed's 2nd fight after the 3 year ban.The 74 Ali may not be peak in terms of ability,but his chin,resiliency and mental strength would have been way too much for Tyson to handle.Ali by late ko.

 

good points but in h2h resumes can be temporarily forgotten. it's true: tyson beat no one near muhammad's class. but then again, neither did ricardo lopez and he's still a h2h terror

 

I totally disagree with alexvoce, but in no way was '86 Tyson "mentally ****ed up".
I didn't realise this was meant to be '74 Ali vs. '97 Tyson or some crap like that.

 

he definitely wasn't mentally strong. that was one of his weaknesses throughout his whole career. Tyson always was bullied when young, had tons of other problems, and Ali would have definitely got into his head before they even got in the ring

 

I hate to say this........ But 86tyson would have beaten 74 ali....laying on the ropes against tyson isnt smart.........remember frank bruno laying on the ropes in the 1st tyson fight????....right hand to the body followed by a right uppercut........the way to beat tyson is the way ali fought frazier and norton in his 2nd fight with them.

 

Thomas, Tucker (then), Biggs, Holmes and Spinks were very skilled, very talented. Tubbs had very very fast hands.

All were world champs/gold medalists.



Anyhoo, I would have to go with MT here. We're not talking about a big static target for straight punches, constantly in range and swinging predictably wide clubs. We're talking about a bobbing, weaving, slipping, squatting machine throwing compact perfect punches in combinaton at mid-range and moving his head after the last punch thrown always, looking to set up his next sequence of blows/potential blows. Providing Tyson looked to jab his way in and banged the body when possible, he wins this.

 

1974 Ali was the fastest and best version of Muhammad during that decade. He was compelled to apply the rope a dope in Kinshasa due to special circumstances regarding the combination of outdoor heat and humidity, a ring surface tiring to the legs, and loose ropes.

The real Ali of 1974 was the trim 212 pound athlete we saw decision Frazier over 12 on the familiar generic turf of Madison Square Garden. Any speculation that he might attempt to lay on the ropes against Tyson must be extrapolated from what was seen of Muhammad during that performance.

I don't think any version of Tyson defeats the Ali of Frazier II. Even if hand speed was comparable, height, reach and mobility are not.

 

Struggle with this one to be honest.

I've no doubt that 67 Ali clowns any version of Tyson and frustrates and stops him late, but the 74 version that stood right in front of Foreman on the ropes asking him to give him his best shot....even though Ali hit harder at that point and had a great chin, giving young Tyson a stationary target was suicide tactics. Ali took a horrendous beating to the body from Foreman, I'd say Tysons body attack is even better than Georges was.

Weird as it sounds, out of the 2 men in the ring in Zaire I'd give Foreman a far better chance of beating prime Tyson than the guy who won the fight. Foreman from back then was a monster who would probably make Tyson **** his pants, Ali wasn't scary back then but he could out-smart a guy and drag him into deep waters and drown him.

Tyson V Foreman would be like 2 trains colliding, and the bigger, harder hitting train would win - Foreman.

Tyson V Ali....I'm not so sure, I think Tyson stands a very real chance of winning if Ali fights like he does against Foreman, but would the heat affect Tyson like it did George? Who knows.

 

Unoriginal regurgitated nonsense.

 

'74 Ali wasn't nearly as fast as he was in the 60's, and Tyson would have him in trouble early on, esp. on the ropes. In spite of this, the spirited Ali hangs tough and eeks it out by close decision.

 

I think Tyson would stop the 1974 Ali.The 86 version of Tyson was a determined fighter who would keep going even if things were tough.He was at his fastest in 86 and would eventually catch the older man.
A younger Ali would be able to outsmart Tyson but trying the rope a dope thing would be a terrible mistake.

 

Tyson looses before the fight.

 

it really wasn't one of his strong points. otherwise he wouldve had a better career. and come on Ali definitely would have psyched out Tyson