'74 Ali vs '86 Tyson...

When it comes to physical strength,i can't see Tyson being any stronger than Joe Frazier.

 

I don't know how anyone thinks Tyson could win this fight.

Frazier,Foreman,Holmes,Norton,Shavrs, and Liston couldn't stop Ali in over 100 rounds, so to predict that Tyson would do it is laughable.

Tyson on the other hand never even finished a war in his entire career, if he is fighting Ali its going to be a war. Small chance Tyson finishes the fight on his feet.



If it does go the distance there is a small chance Tyson would be able to decision Ali. Tyson didn't throw the number of punshes to do it. Frazier probably had twice the workrate.

So Tyson probably has less then a 5% chance of beating Ali. Anyone saying otherwise is overrating Tyson greatly.

 

Very concise summing up,arther. And accurate.

 

you wouldnt say both ruddock fights were wars?

 

In my opinion,Ruddock's performances against Tyson were overrated. The stoppage in the first fight was justified,imo. And in the rematch,apart from a few good shots from the 'Razor' Tyson won it pretty clearly.

 

The familiar "If punchers such as Foreman, Frazier, Shavers, etc. couldn't knock Ali out..." is actually not very relevant when it comes to Tyson.

Those men lacked one essential ingredient, which I am convinced made an old Ali shudder when he saw Mike Tyson at his peak: speed in clusters.

Once old Ali commented that Mike Tyson "hits hard, stays close". This would be a nightmare for Muhammad Ali. Any powerpuncher that could do that would be so, as Ali lacked the punch to immediately halt such an attacker.

Frazier stayed close and hit Ali hard to win a clear decision. Tyson could do this, with a few differences:

a) Tyson would be hitting Ali's head much more often, with both hands, as --by virtue of his greater upper-body and arm-and-shoulder strength-- Tyson's attack was much better than Frazier's on a tall opponent upstairs.

b) Ali could not rest on the ropes throwing pitter-patter junk because Tyson's sharp hook-uppercut combo would be jolting Ali every time he became stationary.

c) Frazier dipped to avoid Ali's jab, successfully. Tyson could do this, up and down, side to side and as a bonus rush past the jab with a devastating counter, from either hand, as he was trained to do by D'Amato.

d) Single punches --however powerful-- never got the job done against Ali. This is where many get confused. In boxing, it is the punch you don't see, and a succession of hard blows that usually produce a knockout. Bums (speaking in the relativity of this context) such as Foreman, Lyle, Shavers and Liston could never put two punches together in combination against Ali and so, Ali, though relatively featherfisted, prevailed.

But what happened in Round 11 of FOTC? Joe Frazier landed a very Tyson-like left hook to body, left hook to head combination and Ali was on ***** street, slipping, sliding, grabbing, shuffling.

But Frazier never got another good punch in that long rest of the round, as Ali's retreat easily reduced him to simply walking after his prey, trying vainly to land another left hook.

Tyson had, as mentioned, an immensely better delivery system than Frazier, as Tyson was much more powerful, explosive and quick. Ali defended not much differently than Holmes did against Tyson and evaded Frazier, but, like old Holmes, who tried absolutely everything to try to avoid the knockout, in vain, would certainly be smashed again and again, now with the straight right, the left hook, the right uppercut, the right hook. Ali would be in dramatic, horrible trouble.

Notwithstanding talk of '74 Ali being so very tough, so much harder-hitting, and yada yada, all of this is possible because we are talking about
a Muhammad Ali who no longer possessed the fleetness of his youth.

Young Ali at his best is the only Muhammad Ali I see safely turning back Mike Tyson.

Here, I'm not picking a winner, but Ali would be wishing to Allah he had Foreman, or Frazier, or any other of his fabled foes in there instead of Iron Mike.

 

Sex..lots and lots of hot gay sex. We would need a cattle prod to seperate these horny studs in their prime.

 

tyson beats ali by KO.
ali learns by his mistakes and knocks tyson out in round 3 of the rematch.

 

Fixed.

 

You two are too funny.

 

PRIME your post was brilliant... i agree 100%


And to all the posters out there who say Tyson would break down mentally before the fight, Be Serious.... Go and watch pre/post fight interviews of 85-88 Tyson, he was still a kid, he wouldnt give 2 shits about what Ali had to say about him, he had truckloads of confidence, especially when he unified the titles

 

Good observations,PRIME. Thing is though,a 1974 Ali would have taken Tyson into far deeper water than he'd ever expect to go.

 

It's true what you say about Tyson's handspeed and accuracy,but think on this. Ali,even at age 32,was faster with feet and hands,than James Tillis,and was even more durable than Bonecrusher Smith and Tony Tucker.

 

tyson by ko anyone who disagrees is just ignorant.

 

Pardon those of us who have a different opinion than you !