75' Ali vs 2021 Fury

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Rakesh, Oct 12, 2021 at 6:18 AM.

  1. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,241
    1,822
    Dec 16, 2012
    It is fine if you pick Fury, & you are one who always chooses the bigger modern guys.
    Size is one advantage.
    But Frazier is only "puny" compared to such giants.

    Why be so disrespectful to call a great HW champion "puny"?
    The fact that he is much smaller than SHWs does not mean it is good to use such insults.
    And you will drive people *away* from your positions when you seem to have so much contempt, & so little respect.
     
    Rakesh, Marvelous Mauler and kaapa2 like this.
  2. BCS8

    BCS8 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    38,136
    33,418
    Aug 21, 2012
    Ali trying to slug with Fury would be a terrible idea. The last thing you want to give a guy with a huge advantage in dimensions and 50lb in weight, is a chance to maul you and lean all over you for 12 rounds. Ali's lack of training and footwork for Manilla nearly got him stopped against 215lb Frazier. What's 277lb Fury going to do? Honestly, the flatfooted, slugger version of Ali gets stopped against Fury in the second half of the fight.
     
    Pat M likes this.
  3. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    21,576
    1,288
    Jul 17, 2009
    I like this scenario.
     
    Fergy likes this.
  4. moneytheman12

    moneytheman12 Active Member banned Full Member

    731
    221
    Feb 4, 2021
    doesn't matter what you like it's not logical to pick him when Ali is in this state he is outweighed by alot and cant move that good or cant use that rope lay and being drained of his energy by a person who is a master at using their weight
     
    Pat M likes this.
  5. White Bomber

    White Bomber Active Member Full Member

    1,486
    865
    Mar 31, 2021
    I base it on the stylistic matchup.
     
    moneytheman12 and Pat M like this.
  6. White Bomber

    White Bomber Active Member Full Member

    1,486
    865
    Mar 31, 2021
    I don't need any evidence, since it ain't about that. It's about the fact that modern boxers have superior punching technique which allows them to hit way harder than someone from the 1800s.
    Not to mention their bodies are just better, due to superior training and conditioning.
     
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2021 at 10:07 AM
    moneytheman12 likes this.
  7. White Bomber

    White Bomber Active Member Full Member

    1,486
    865
    Mar 31, 2021
    Calling Frazier puny is not disrespectful, puny means he's small. Calling a small person small in not an insult.
     
  8. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    57,089
    18,831
    Nov 24, 2005
    It's a tough fight to call.

    Prime for prime, I'd go with Ali.
    But Manila was past-prime Ali.
    But then again, the other night, Fury looked past-prime, rusty and out-of-shape himself. He's 33, same age as Manila Ali, and he hasn't exactly taken great care of his body.
    But does that even it up for Ali to be favoured still? I'm not sure, because in a flat-footed fight between two sloppy, heavy versions of each fighter, Fury might have the edge.
     
    Entaowed and BCS8 like this.
  9. moneytheman12

    moneytheman12 Active Member banned Full Member

    731
    221
    Feb 4, 2021
    I explained that to that crazy troll everything you said is the same I said just in a different way its obvious we both are right

    it's no way like I always said any of those dudes would be able to beat those 70s-90s mid or big name boxers they would be destroyed

    most important thing you said way better punch tech and add way better movement to maximize effectiveness of punches
    evidence is on vid
     
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2021 at 10:51 AM
    White Bomber likes this.
  10. moneytheman12

    moneytheman12 Active Member banned Full Member

    731
    221
    Feb 4, 2021
    I hate that dumb quote of who did a person beat that quote I never agreed with what does a person beating somebody have to do with on a style and skills area
    nothing

    it is no way that ali has a easy time fighting a person who uses their weight more then anybody ali ever fought then add fury is akward and can punch from angles and has good defense and is a good counter puncher
     
    White Bomber likes this.
  11. thistle

    thistle Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,282
    2,049
    Dec 21, 2016
    take Ali from ANY Fight and Fury as you please, and there is Still NO COMPARISON...

    Dear Lord, what has happened to people, Ali is One of the GREATEST Fighters of All time, because it was both Visibly Plain to SEE and Equally because he PROVED IT against a good few Great & Top Historic fighters.

    IF Ali is Elite, Tyson Fury is Very Good, in between you've got GREAT and Great fighters

    as I've always said Fury is 2cd rate.

    30 fights, ONE Historic Name, who is neither Elite or GREAT, then 4 other Noted Fighters who are Very Good or good fighters and then you're Club Fighters X 24.

    C'mon.
     
  12. moneytheman12

    moneytheman12 Active Member banned Full Member

    731
    221
    Feb 4, 2021
    we have advanced is what happened the matchup is this ver of ali which didnt move as good and wasnt used to a person using their weight like fury or was ali used to a person who could counter good like fury
    this ali has a big problem for those reasons you people need to stop being so stuck in past
     
    White Bomber likes this.
  13. thistle

    thistle Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,282
    2,049
    Dec 21, 2016
    Sorry man, IF we couldn't SEE a whole host of Past Heavyweight's then 'maybe' you 'might' have a discussion...

    But We CAN SEE and we can See Fury is Sub Par to them!!!
     
  14. BUDW

    BUDW Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,744
    697
    Nov 23, 2007
  15. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,332
    6,572
    May 30, 2019
    Sorry, but that's not the answer to my question.