76-77 jimmy young vs 83 tim whiterspoon

Yes, ...ultimately, Tim wouldn't be smart enough to beat Jimmy.

 

I disagree with the

I think Witherspoon goes 2-1 or 3-0 here.

But like I said Jimmy Young doesn't beat quality boxers with fast hands skills and power, which Witherspoon most certainly was.

 

And he'd get it.

 

Witherspoon remains very under rated. If he was in his prime today, he would likely be the best or 2nd best in the division as Wlad is older ( near 40 ). Maybe Povetkin would beat him. It would be a heck of a fight!

Most think that WItherpsoon was the 3rd best heavyweight in the 1980's, behind Larry Holmes whom he lost a very close decision with and Mike Tyson who he did not get a chance to fight.

Jimmy Young could look good vs the right opponents that were older or not very fast, but he lost way too often to beat an on point Witherspoon.

 

Be careful disagreeing with him. You might be labeled a simpleton and recommended to go kill yourself.

 

That's exactly what he's saying Heavy_Handss

 

He'd get it alright. Jimmy would Wendell Bailey him.

 

I like Tim, but he was not fast. In his prime, Young WAS quick, and knew WHEN to through a punch. He would be busier than Tim, Tim would be hitting air, and getting countered all night long. Jimmy did fine against any type of boxer. I wouldn't call Norton slow. The Young that fought Norton would give Tim a boxing lesson.

 

Yep.

And Tim was not exactly a guy who solved opponents/changed mid stream in the ring. He sure could have used that skill. It was always Tim being the last dog on the dog sled team and getting the same view and doing the same thing.

The guy getting solved is Witherspoon. That cross arm defense is not going to work as well as Norton's because Tim is about 1/3 as busy a fighter as Kenny. And he sure would not go to the body like Norton and would be winging those wide right hands from way on the outside against Young. I don't think he'd land 3 clean all fight.

The 2 big advantages for Tim are identical to every other guy that fought Young---promoter and punching power.

 

I'm saying that version of Forman had poor stamina and confidence. Ron Lyle was very close to knocking the post-Zaire Foreman out.

Ali by the time he fought Jimmy Young ( Age 34, after a hard 3rd fight with Frazier ) had slowed down and Ali always had trouble with good jabbers at all stages of his career. Doug Jones, Kenny Norton, Ron Lyle, Jimmy Young, and Larry Holmes.

Yes-- I think a prime Witherspoon beats Ali and Foreman in the condition they were in when Young fought them. Whether or not he gets robbed on the cards ( Some feel Young beat Ali ) is another story!

For the Jimmy Young fans, can you tell me why lost 10 times at age 31 or younger?

 

Yeah I pretty much agree with this.. The version of Ali who fought Young was pretty bad and Foreman wasn't 100% either.. Those two were strong candidates for a loss to a prime Witherspoon.. Especially the one who gave Holmes fits. Still not totally certain Spoon would beat Young though, but its certainly conceivable.

In all fairness, Young had bad management who threw him to the wolves.. I mean common.. He had about 10 fights when he got matched against a 42-2 Shavers who was peaking at that point. They fought again about 18 months later to a draw that some felt Young won.. He had maybe 8 fights when he was matched against the 18-1 Randy Nueman. While those two never rematched, I'm pretty sure the Young of a few years later would have handled him pretty easily. This story has been told over and over throughout boxing history with fighters who had multiple early career losses.

 

While Young was thrown to the wolves early, so with Witherspoon.

Witherspoon didn't have good management either! Later in his career Don King iced him. Jimmy had no such issues.

To be truthful both of these Philly fighters learned their craft in the gym.

In his 14th fight, Witherpsoon was matched vs Snipes, who could punch.

In his 15th fight, he was matched vs Larry Holmes!

In his 19th fight, vs. Page

and his 20th fight vs Thomas.

I just see far less losses or draws on Witherpsoon's resume.

 

Yeah that's fair.. Spoon had virtually no amateur career and was fighting unbeaten prospects and contenders with very few pro fights, and winning nearly all the time. Of course Young likely got shafted in a few decisions here and there, but your point is well received.